Can you still watch The Terminator? Or T2? Or (eek!) T3?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 18:34
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CHRISISALL

Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:42 PM

Opus, I see the first one as being the only one even remotely possible.
For John to send Kyle back to protect Sarah, Kyle, by necessity, could not have been his father IN THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE. So with Kyle being the father in this timeline, what changes will take place? Will the 'new' John still be a leader? Let's hope so, and that all other things remain the same, or John won't send Kyle back to protect his mom in the past, setting up the world for a paradox from which it will never escape!* And if you buy that, the other two are flat out impossible. Even if you don't buy that, the other two are flat out impossible.
While the events in Terminator might work themselves out (Kyle did mention ' one possible future, from your perspective' allowing for much), the additional events in T2 have to lead nowhere but hopless paradoxes, nomatter whether Arnold's 'detailed files' are of the first or second timeline, destroying Cyberdine only prevents the war (which would be catastrophic, timeline-wise) or deviate from his files accuracy, changing the war enough to make sending terminators back in time unwarrented and we have a paradox again. But all of this is academic. Terminator was made as well as Cameron could make it. Just not to have sequels. (anyone catch the clever Blade Runner paraphrase?)

T is science fiction.
T2 and T3 are fantasy.

I have spoken Chrisisall

* thanks to Manwithpez for valuable time-travel info that made the first T watchable for me again.

DRAGONWINE

Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:29 PM

Aside From Bill Paxton let's not forget Lance Henrickson! He was a cop in T1 and got killed by Arnie, then in Aliens as an andriod he was torn in half (ok so he wasn't killed, but close) by the queen, then in AvP as the human Bishop he got snuffed by a Predator. We can also add Pumpkinhead, or not.
But to the question at hand, T1 and T2 very good, T3 very bad. Just one long stunt. T3 will never be in my dvd collection.

It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!

DECKROID

Sunday, May 15, 2005 8:32 PM

I too like the first two. I have only seen 30 mins of T3. It was on HBO and I caught enough to make me change the channel.

Now here is something... with everyone and their brother remaking TV shows and some movies (I think most of Hollywood has run out of fresh ideas... exception: JOSS!!) how long will it be before some freak pitches a new "sytlized" remake of T1?

They have made the TV shows of my early childhood into movies. They have remade movies that I grew up with. Its just a hunch that within 10 years, we are going to see remakes of early 80s flicks.

Electric Boogaloo coming in 2011. GAAA! Why God, WHY?!?

Of course, T1 will have more speaking parts. Ah-nold didnt have a whole hell of a lot to say in that flick...

"Give me yur ahd-ress dere!"
"#$@# You, $#% 'ole"
and of course
"Ahl be bahck!"

CHRISISALL

Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:14 PM

I'm waiting for a really needless remake. Maybe Planet of the Apes.

And don't forget Gumby, what they could do with that now Chrisisall

THESOMNAMBULIST

Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:22 PM

Deckroid wrote:

Quote:
They have remade movies that I grew up with. Its just a hunch that within 10 years, we are going to see remakes of early 80s flicks.

I wonder about this. I'm still trying to fathom the logic behind the latest incarnation of Batman?

Why?

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

THESOMNAMBULIST

Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I'm waiting for a really needless remake. Maybe Planet of the Apes.
now Chrisisall

Well Scooby Doo - that was pretty needless. Then Scooby Doo 2 was so beyond needless it almost split the fabric of the universe.....
...at lest it almost did in my head.

The
Somnambulist

www.cirqus.com

OPUS

Monday, May 16, 2005 12:11 AM

I wasn't really getting into the time paradox and timeline stuff, just the basic content and style of the films.
If you really want to get into timeline/paradox problems the Back to the Future films takes it to a whole new level.
T1 was Cameron making a film really for himself.
T2 was Cameron making the film for the (at least in part) focus groups. Get rid of the fluff, still a salvagable story.

Opus

"Who? Whuba how with huh?

OPUS

Monday, May 16, 2005 12:16 AM

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...let's not forget Lance Henrickson! He was a cop in T1 and got killed by Arnie,

Henrickson, if I'm not mistaken was the original choice to play the Terminator. The original concept being the Terminator would be someone who would just blend in.

Opus

"My life is strewn with cow pats from the devils own satanic herd"

CALLMEATH

Monday, May 16, 2005 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by montanagirl:

But they all had cool music.

That reminds me, I've got the Terminator theme as a ringtone. It sounds kinda crappy, and only fans would recognize it, but I love it. Always makes me think of the opening to T2, which is one my favorite movie openings ever. EVER.

"Invader's blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me! Do not ignore my veins!"

CHRISISALL

Monday, May 16, 2005 12:51 AM

Back to the Future was a sitcom. A really good one, but not what I'd call a 'science fiction' film. I don't hold goofy movies to the same scientific standards. T1 was action/ sci-fi, and T2 was action (really GREAT action)/ fantasy.
And Back to the Future was funny.

Outta Time Chrisisall

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