I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore
POSTED BY: JCKnife
UPDATED: Thursday, August 17, 2023 17:53
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Yes, let us consider this folksy little homily:
Quote:I take it you've never thought deeply about animal behavior, not even the common jay's. Like a lot of other animals, a jay's 'attack' is simply bluster, and it works most of the time. But when push comes to shove, in the face of a determined marauder, the jay will abandon its chicks (or nest or eggs) to a squirrel, rat, cat, bear, crow, human or anything else. It will not defend either nest, eggs, or chicks to the death.
"I take it you've never gotten too near a blue jay nest when there are chicks in it. A half pound bird that will attack a human 300 times its size is definately trying to protect its young."
Your own words go FAR beyond the immediate need for self-defense.)
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People who decide to violate the social contract in major ways (money-lending? that prohibition was once a major part of the social contract) forfeit major portions of their value (as "value" means right to live) (RUN FOR YOUR LIVES ! Geezer has determined you have forfeited your value in major ways!)
People are the sum of their actions. Some lose a lot of points by what they do. (And are liable to be killed at leisure by the better people?)
The converse of rights is responsibilities. (Where is that in the constitution or the bible? Just curious.) Fail badly enough in your responsibilities to your fellows, and your rights are lost. (And you shall perish from this earth. So sayeth Geezer)
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Geezer,
If you could come up with an argument not based on hyperbole or faux 'folksy' wisdom, perhaps these topics could get the intelligent discussion they deserve.
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Yes, I have been attacked by blue jays. Mockingbirds, too, for that matter. But that's a "home intrusion" which I've already said is self defense. How is that like killing people in jail twenty miles away? (And BTW- you will seldom see a bird actually attack a non-threat, or die to save it's young. In fact, there are species that always lay two eggs and always push one chick out of the nest, or starve it to death until it's eaten by its nest-mate. You guys THINK you know a lot about biology, but you don't.)
What you are saying is that we should "preventively" kill people because they MIGHT escape or they MIGHT not be treatable or they cost too much money to maintain? Is that your position?
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And, I noticed you didn't address the religion angle satisfactorily. You'll parse the word "kill" (does it mean "kill" or "murder"?) like an imam wondering whether using a blade to shave is accpetable, and ignore the pages and pages of Jesus' example in the New Testament.
But by your own logic, ignoring the point about loving your enemies and "let he who is without sin" and the OTHER point about "Vengeance is MINE, said the Lord" and ... yada yada... and just looking at the Old Testament commandments- even if it said "You shall not murder"- what could be more "murderous" than deliberately taking a prisoner's life? Everything I know about the legal and Biblical definition of the word "murder" (premeditated and intentional) would definitely prohibit executions.
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Hussein fils were responsible for their actions, regardless of their antecedents, and got what they deserved.
Then the current Pope Benedict XVI is responsible for being a Hitler Youth and should never have been elevated.
Edited to add: Sorry for the multiple posts, but you guys provide such a RICH field of inconsistencies that's it's hard to ignore all those little gems. Hope you understand.
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You know, I hate to do this but I have one LAST point and then I swear to God I'll stop!
Geezer, I noticed you sort of gave up on all of the other examples I presented and focused on Uday and Qusay. Does that mean you buy the "diminished capacity" defense?
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If I put a gun to my head and pulled the trigger, I'd be dead.
If I attacked someone (sexually or otherwise), I'd be dead, just still walking around, and I'd take it as a kindness if someone would put an end to my ability to repeat the act of a dead man.
Permanently.
Just an opinion Chrisisall
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So you believe in assisted suicide? 
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I have a problem with the "specifically it's about valuing children's lives more dearly" part.
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I feel the same outrage, but Id sure like to hear how you can value kids more than anyone else.
A couple of reasons come to mind.
1. Children can't protect themselves, so it has traditionally been every adult's responsibility to provide them with protection. Defense of offspring is pretty much biologically hardwired into not only humans, but most animals. The betrayal of this accepted societal and biological norm by child abusers is considered more heinous than a similar crime against an adult.
2. Children are our immortality...our link to the future. To take or damage a child's life is to destroy this future before it has a chance to happen.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Of course I see the thread title and had to see what was up.
I typically avoid these topics because, frankly they are too painful to read. I barely got to the bottom of this one without getting teary. I can't begin to understand how anyone could do these things.
Geezer your comment here is exactly how I feel about this.
It's an adult's duty to children to assure that they feel and are protected and safe. As for hardwiring, someone get between my child and myself and watch it get split second ugly. Any principals you may have on anything are thrown wayside when you are in the situation of protecting your baby.
By the way, I think everyone here has valid points.
Punishment? My ideal, the parents should be able to dish out the punishment: stoning, the rack, baseball bat, skinning, shall I go on? Realistically though, I'm for locking up and throwing away the key. Seems a better answer to remove the offenders completely.
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As for hardwiring, someone get between my child and myself and watch it get split second ugly. Any principals you may have on anything are thrown wayside when you are in the situation of protecting your baby.
You know, my brain-damaged girl was lost in downtown LA for a couple of hours when she was 6 y/o. (The school lost her.) To this day, I wake up with cold-sweat nightmares about that. Anyone who gets between me and my daughter will have a Signy-sized hole in them, and that won't leave much. But that's not what this thread is about.
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