PRAY FOR TERRI SCHIAVO

POSTED BY: Conscience
UPDATED: Sunday, June 19, 2005 02:31
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EMBERS

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:11 AM

um, are they trying to raise her from the dead?

personally I was hoping this thread was dead...

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:55 AM

Weird spate of troll incursions we've been having lately, isn't it? I feel pretty silly because I did a greeting message to a user recently and then saw that they were on this crazy multiple-thread-starting lower-case spree. It's gotten to the point where, if I don't recognize a username, I'll scan the post to see if there are all caps or no caps, and check the user profile.

Actually, I'm not sure this is exactly a troll. I did a search on the username and a couple of other accounts popped up (one at free republic). It's obviously someone who is not familiar with Firefly and only came here for this thread. Potential convert?

Best case scenario is they buy the DVDs, get hooked, and spread the word to their friends. Worst case scenario is they can't figure out that this thread is just one small part of an online collection of fireflyfans and instead decide to just come here for the real world events discussions.

* editted to remove last two sentences. No need to fan the flames and all that.

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JASONZZZ

Monday, May 9, 2005 5:29 PM

Florida Med Examiner sez Schiavo autopsy report still weeks away:

http://www.wftv.com/news/4466469/detail.html

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Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:47 AM

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JASONZZZ

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 2:32 PM

Autopsy report to be released today.

http://www.wftv.com/news/4608315/detail.html

(edited to add:)
News item on the released autopsy report

http://www.wftv.com/news/4608901/detail.html

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HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:11 PM

Well, she was blind when they claimed she could see family members and her brain was less than half the size of a normal adult. Unrecoverable. And no evidence of physical harm or trauma of any kind. Huh.

HKCavalier

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HERO

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Well, she was blind when they claimed she could see family members and her brain was less than half the size of a normal adult. Unrecoverable. And no evidence of physical harm or trauma of any kind. Huh.

Always nice to find out you did the right thing after the fact. Lesson for Iraq there. Sure, the WMD's were never found, but the mass graves and torture chambers were.

I wonder how people would react if it turned out the other way round. If Schiavo was shown to be capable of a meaningful recovery, would the left have abandoned its pro-death position in favor of one that allows more in-depth review BEFORE they killed her? Doubt it. Again its like Iraq. They ignore the 10,000 things justifying our invasion both before and after it occurred, and side with terrorists and insurgents because, for all their faults, they are anti-Bush and thus can't be all that bad.

H

CONSCIENCE

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:11 PM

Her physical state if irrelevant. The fact is she was a human being, and therefore didn't deserve to be starved to death by her murdering, adultering husband Michael Schiavo.

May Michael Schiavo burn in hell forever!!!!

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:20 PM

Hero, you're conflating two entirely different situtations. As far as Terri Schiavo is concerned... what little I know of the review process left me reasonably certain that there was no hope for meaningful recovery. Five doctors examined her. Of the two that were brought in by Terri's parents, one (Hammesfhar) is a known quack who operates a cash-on-the-barrelhead clinic in FLA. I know of him through other parents who frequent the Mass General Neurowebforum Child Neurology bbx, and have had reason to look him up independently.

I would not insert myself into the decision, not knowing all the facts, but the review process was quite extensive. And when you have to focus on three seconds (out of millions) to make your case- wow- that really is data mining! What I am uncomfortable with is the Texas law... that Bush signed... that allows the hospital or other health-care provider to "pull the plug" based on ability to pay. I would definitely insert more review process there.

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http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=109

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Well, she was blind when they claimed she could see family members and her brain was less than half the size of a normal adult. Unrecoverable. And no evidence of physical harm or trauma of any kind. Huh.

Always nice to find out you did the right thing after the fact. Lesson for Iraq there. Sure, the WMD's were never found, but the mass graves and torture chambers were.

I wonder how people would react if it turned out the other way round. If Schiavo was shown to be capable of a meaningful recovery, would the left have abandoned its pro-death position in favor of one that allows more in-depth review BEFORE they killed her? Doubt it. Again its like Iraq. They ignore the 10,000 things justifying our invasion both before and after it occurred, and side with terrorists and insurgents because, for all their faults, they are anti-Bush and thus can't be all that bad.

H

Ugh. Yeesh. This Left/Right crap is driving me nuts! Why must you politicize this case? She was dead for fifteen years. Medical science has gotten to the point where we can maintain a body past death. I knew this before today. I sure didn't find anything out "after the fact" that I didn't know before the fact. There were investigations. The alegations of spousal abuse didn't wash, Hero. This is in no way a partisan issue for me, it's just a matter of looking at reality. I believe certain things are true, I believe that there is a reality beyond opinion. Only in Agatha Christie novels does reality play out in completely unpredictable ways. It is possible to know the truth.

Am I talking about a legal certainty, here? Of course not. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept, designed by our forefathers to curb the power of the state. It is not a metaphysical truth. In reality, people are guilty at the moment they commit the crime. It is perfectly possible for people to recognize this simple fact without legal intervention. The recent Michael Jackson case is a clear example. Several jurors have said that they understand that Mr. Jackson has molested boys, but that the state failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he molested this child. Reality and legal certainty are two very different things.

And stop, just stop making me into a Terrorist-symp because I disagree with Bush's pre-emptive war. It's a stupid, prejudicial insult. Is this your method in the courtroom, Mr. Prosecutor?

HKCavalier

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