The Reaver Breed
POSTED BY: christhecynic
UPDATED: Thursday, May 5, 2005 14:01
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I’ve just had a thought, Reavers do not appear to the type to raise their young, at all, but they must have a fairly steady supply coming in if the female Reavers are rapists too, which they probably are. If they don’t kill the infants outright that would mean that only the strong would survive, and human babies are not all that strong.
In other words for a Reaver to survive beyond infancy it would have to be a very exceptional individual. We don’t know how long the Reavers have been out there, but how many generations would it take of that kind of selection before the average Reaver was a hell of a lot stronger than the average normal human?
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I mean they go out mating almost constantly, and probably do that among themselves as well, so a female Reaver would probably have a kid almost every nine months like clockwork, that’s a large population of infants, but only a few would survive.
Isn’t that like pushing up selection to a completely new level? I’m not saying they would evolve or anything (haven’t had that much time yet) but wouldn’t the resulting Reaver race tend to be much stronger?
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I’ve just had a thought, Reavers do not appear to the type to raise their young, at all, but they must have a fairly steady supply coming in if the female Reavers are rapists too, which they probably are. If they don’t kill the infants outright that would mean that only the strong would survive, and human babies are not all that strong.
In other words for a Reaver to survive beyond infancy it would have to be a very exceptional individual. We don’t know how long the Reavers have been out there, but how many generations would it take of that kind of selection before the average Reaver was a hell of a lot stronger than the average normal human?
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I mean they go out mating almost constantly, and probably do that among themselves as well, so a female Reaver would probably have a kid almost every nine months like clockwork, that’s a large population of infants, but only a few would survive.
Isn’t that like pushing up selection to a completely new level? I’m not saying they would evolve or anything (haven’t had that much time yet) but wouldn’t the resulting Reaver race tend to be much stronger?
Perhaps they don't even procreate at all? We saw in Bushwacked that the guy was turning himself into a reaver, perhaps they don't kill everybody, taking a few from each town they destroy for the precise reason of turning them?
Either way, whether it's survival of the fittest from birth, or just surviving through cutting up your own skin, they would probably get pretty damn strong, pretty damn fast.
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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Perhaps they don't even procreate at all?
Well I didn't see anything to make me think there are not female Reavers and Reavers as a whole go around raping people, so unless they say, “Please put on a condom before I rape you,” I figure they do have kids. Of course it is entirely possible that they kill them at birth (or before I suppose.)
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Perhaps they don't even procreate at all?
Well I didn't see anything to make me think there are not female Reavers and Reavers as a whole go around raping people, so unless they say, “Please put on a condom before I rape you,”
perhaps with all that mutilation they are unable to procreate... not that they don't try with all that raping...it's just not possible.
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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
perhaps with all that mutilation they are unable to procreate... not that they don't try with all that raping...it's just not possible.
That occured to me, but I didn't want to think of it, much less say it.
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Did it occur to anyone that Zoe never said the Reavers were just gonna rape the women? I imagine they don't do it for any need to multiply, but rather to hurt people. It is probably the worst thing that can be done to a person.
Besides, it's not as if the Reavers can't exist with each other peacefully. They are able to operate large ships after all. While Reavers surely don't know love, it's not far-fetched to believe the Reaver females willingly give themselves to the males. They're probably like animals, procreating out of instinct, rather than any desire for pleasure or companionship.
Also, does anyone else find all this casual talk of raping rather creepifying? I know it's fictional, but still.
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Perhaps they don't even procreate at all? We saw in Bushwacked that the guy was turning himself into a reaver, perhaps they don't kill everybody, taking a few from each town they destroy for the precise reason of turning them?
Eh, I just can't see that as being the norm for Reaver 'reproduction'.
I can't see it as being the norm because human beings are different and respond to traumatic events differently. Not every person would respond to Reaver brutality by becoming a Reaver themselves. I personally believe that the victim in Bushwhacked was a special case; perhaps the captain of that particular Reaver ship wanted not just to kill, but to 'break' a victim. Perhaps it was an experiment on the part of the Reavers.
Considering the conditions they live under, Reaver life is probably short, harsh, and exceedingly brutal. I don't see how they could 'turn' enough people to replace numbers lost through fighting, disease, and radiation poisoning-- and since we know that they're pushing into the civilized territories, I think that their population(s) are expanding, and they're outstripping whatever resources are available on their own planets.
With these factors in mind I believe that they reproduce both through mating within their own kind and through rape of 'outsiders'-- the victims they prey upon.
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The Reavers have similarities with the Borg. They don't procreate, they assimilate into their species.
I'll rape you to death.
I'll eat your flesh.
I'll sew your skin into my clothes.
If you're very very lucky, I'll do it in that order - TheReaver
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Originally posted by CALLMEATH:
Did it occur to anyone that Zoe never said the Reavers were just gonna rape the women?
I think it's pretty clear from what she said that they were going to rape the men as well.
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I imagine they don't do it for any need to multiply, but rather to hurt people. It is probably the worst thing that can be done to a person.
But that wouldn't effect female Reavers gettign pregnate as a result of the rape.
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Besides, it's not as if the Reavers can't exist with each other peacefully. They are able to operate large ships after all. While Reavers surely don't know love, it's not far-fetched to believe the Reaver females willingly give themselves to the males. They're probably like animals, procreating out of instinct, rather than any desire for pleasure or companionship.
I agree, I just don't see them raising their young, and that means high infant mortality, which means those that lived to breed themselves would have to be the strongest, right?
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Also, does anyone else find all this casual talk of raping rather creepifying? I know it's fictional, but still.
Yeah it is, especially since I started it to talk about the effects of non-human rearing techniques on physical strength and durability. I’m wondering if people think that Reavers would be stronger from birth because of the reintroduction of the selection that is lacking in other humans of the day.
If they don’t protect the weak after a few generations only the strong will be left, right?
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Perhaps they don't even procreate at all? We saw in Bushwacked that the guy was turning himself into a reaver, perhaps they don't kill everybody, taking a few from each town they destroy for the precise reason of turning them?
Eh, I just can't see that as being the norm for Reaver 'reproduction'.
I can't see it as being the norm because human beings are different and respond to traumatic events differently. Not every person would respond to Reaver brutality by becoming a Reaver themselves. I personally believe that the victim in Bushwhacked was a special case; perhaps the captain of that particular Reaver ship wanted not just to kill, but to 'break' a victim. Perhaps it was an experiment on the part of the Reavers.
Considering the conditions they live under, Reaver life is probably short, harsh, and exceedingly brutal. I don't see how they could 'turn' enough people to replace numbers lost through fighting, disease, and radiation poisoning-- and since we know that they're pushing into the civilized territories, I think that their population(s) are expanding, and they're outstripping whatever resources are available on their own planets.
With these factors in mind I believe that they reproduce both through mating within their own kind and through rape of 'outsiders'-- the victims they prey upon.
Perhaps I was thinking about how quick and efficient it is to turn somebody into a vampire rather than a reaver. I must do some spring cleaning and arrange my fandoms a little bit better.
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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.
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