let the overanalysis begin!

POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:13
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ZOID

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:31 PM

rhuttner and NicolaClarke wrote:

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Originally posted by RelFexive:
> Simon in uniform could be a different rescue rather than River's original one. But then, we don't know the exact circumstances of her original escape and how Simon was involved. The fact that the Feds were after him suggests they knew it was him by more than the fact that he was absent after she escaped.

Speculationy musing. If River is the signal, or contains the signal in her brain, whatever that may be... what if the Alliance purposefully allowed her to slip away? What if they're chasing her to drive her towards where she needs to be to do the most damage to the Alliance's few remaining enemies? Simon's speech in the trailer about how he sprung River always bothered me. "I was contacted by some men, some underground organisation..." sounded a little too pat and easy - like a rather unspecific plot device.

Did Simon really not try to find out who they were before he trusted them with his and his sister's lives? And if the alliance was manufacturing psychic super-killers, they must have had some fairly serious security measures in place - to stop the kids from accidentally tearing up the place, and to stop anyone else from seeing in. So... what if Simon was allowed to believe he'd snatched River away, when in truth she was sent?

Alternatively, someone high up in the Alliance went rogue, and her escape was planned by them (Book?). Because either Simon's "men" were pretty damn special, or it must have been an inside job of some sort.

You are the first person (at least the first one that I've read) to come close to sharing a theory I've had since War Stories aired. Nice to know I'm not alone.

Well, it's a pretty theory. Care to explain why the trailer indicates that an assassin has been dispatched to retrieve her -- killing everything in his way to do so -- and has a scene from an Alliance capital ship's bridge while the overlay dialogue says that the Alliance will stop at nothing to get her back?

Why let her go and then spend so much time and effort trying to get her back? Maybe, but I don't think so...

If it's any consolation, my pet theories -- before they got mown down -- were that River wasn't psychic, just acutely cognitive, and that Book was Alliance General Richard Wilkins, the Hero of the Battle of Serenity. I still like the ideas; but Joss disagreed with me and I had to let 'em go...

Dissentingly,

zoid
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EST120

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 9:59 PM

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heading straight toward an Alliance armada/blockade fleet.

one thing i just thought of is that i do not recall seeing any of those big vertical floating city types of ships. perhaps they are not really true fighting types of ships but they did act kind of like carriers for fighter planes and such and they are manned by (mostly) military personnel.

WHOISRIVER

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:06 PM

Regarding Inara... (this mentions the movie - so be warned - but nothing in detail at all).

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There might be hints to her background - I didn't spot any, but I was too busy going "Oh my god BIG DAMN MOVIE!!" most of the time. Overall, though, it's left hanging. There's a lot of plot Joss has in his mind about this, again, nobody online has come anywhere near the explainations about Inara. Four words: Serenity 2 plot line.

SAMURAIX47

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:45 PM

Did anyone notice that Wash isn't wearing any of his usual attire from the series... the trailer and other photos show him more in a flight jumpsuit... Is this for the masses who can't tell who the pilot is unless he's wearing a flight jumpsuit? I think it takes away from Wash's character that he's not dressed in aloha attire.

Jaymes

BADGERSHAT

Thursday, April 28, 2005 3:39 AM

I'm back, sorry for the excessive silence, been way too busy with way too little time...

Okay, saw the trailer, can't wait to see the movie... can't wait... can't wait...

I think it says 6 rebels, because Inara, Book and Kaylee aren't really on the run from anyone or anything... that we know of, anyway...

--Jefé The Hat

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ZOID

Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:14 AM

Hey, Jefé, ¿qué pasa?

Okay, 6 rebels. We start with the 9 BDHs from the last episode ever shot. Inara hinted she was leaving, Joss confirmed it at the time the movie was being shot. If he didn't consider that a spoiler, neither do I. She ain't on the ship at the beginning of the movie. That leaves us with eight.

Who would be considered rebels/outlaws and be shot on sight by the Alliance? Of the 8 remaining, who among our heroes would be either let go (because of an ID card that gets first-class, 'no questions asked' service aboard an Alliance cruiser) or immediately packed in ice and sent back to the Academy?

That leaves us with 6. Thanks for playing.

Analytically,

zoid

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For those who may be struggling with the math, the 'rebels' are (in descending order of targeting): Mal, Zoe, Jayne, Wash, Kaylee and Simon. If Inara was still on the ship, she'd walk too, and make whoever let her go think it was their idea... once they woke up.
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GUNRUNNER

Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:16 AM

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Originally posted by SamuraiX47:
Did anyone notice that Wash isn't wearing any of his usual attire from the series... the trailer and other photos show him more in a flight jumpsuit... Is this for the masses who can't tell who the pilot is unless he's wearing a flight jumpsuit? I think it takes away from Wash's character that he's not dressed in aloha attire.

Jaymes

Well at least he still has its dinos and palm trees. (You can see them flying around in one shot.)

Also did anyone else notice the near the end of the trailer Serenity has something on placed on her bow on the port side. Looks like a fueling probe or radio antenna. Something to do with this Signal everyone is talking about?

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It looks as it Serenity is hit by a few missiles and one of the things that extend from her stern when going at full burn brakes off.

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SANNA

Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:12 AM

personal theory.

who watched Babylon 5? They had an arc in there about the telepaths... very early on, when BlondTelepath Andrea Ishouldrememberhername was still there. The 'sekrit agencies' who were using the telepaths were trying to create and control telekinetics. In the B5 universe, telepaths were rare (and feared) enough, but telekinetics were all but impossible. The idea was: train them to move small things... then a telekinetic could go to where an important dignitary was... and pinch a blood vessel shut, and kill with a thought.

River: I can kill you with my brain.

(necessary to cut things about a trailer which presumably we've seen if we're reading this thread?)

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River walks into a room and starts kicking people's asses. They trained her how to /kill/. She shot the guy in that one ep without hardly looking at him... the Alliance created it's most lethal killer (or a prototype thereof), disguised as a young girl. (I want to make a Saikano reference : p.)

Maybe she's not a prototype, maybe a refined version of that BadGuyWhoKillsChildren. The images around him suggest he is... not normal : p. The whole "walking through River" and asking where she is, thing. HE's 'special' too, same as River (assassin... telepathic / kinetic?), just a more stable version... maybe the experimentors were trying to make River more powerful than this guy (which becomes a scary thought).

anyway, that's my theory.

i must have missed the 'shoutout to fans' in the trailer : xxx... *sad*

GUNRUNNER

Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:24 AM

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i must have missed the 'shoutout to fans' in the trailer : xxx... *sad*

After they gave quotes saying how good Firefly/Serenity is from the critics they post: "and loved by millions of fans world wide".

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NICOLACLARKE

Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:48 AM

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Originally posted by zoid:

Well, it's a pretty theory. Care to explain why the trailer indicates that an assassin has been dispatched to retrieve her -- killing everything in his way to do so -- and has a scene from an Alliance capital ship's bridge while the overlay dialogue says that the Alliance will stop at nothing to get her back?

Why let her go and then spend so much time and effort trying to get her back? Maybe, but I don't think so...

There are a couple of possibilities, I think (not necessarily plausible, but possible

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1) Elaborate test run. Show the investors what they're getting for their money, so to speak. Lab tests are all very well but ya can't match field experience. Who cares if a bunch of civilians get squished in the process?

2) Rival political factions. Some let her go, others want her back. Also, we've seen several times in the series that Alliance minions are rarely informed what their political masters are up to, and sometimes even inadvertantly go against their plans (hence the Hands of Blue wiping out an entire Fed base in 'Ariel'). Like Book says in 'War Stories', even governments are made up of individuals. There doesn't necessarily have to be a co-ordinated policy at work here.

3) That part of the plan is now over. River has achieved whatever it was she was released for, or has become whatever it was she needed to be (the signal?). Now it's time to reel her in again, and put her to work.

The basic point to all this is that 'time and effort' is pretty irrelevant to the Alliance. The Alliance (or its upper echelons) is a great big faceless entity, with resources spanning a galaxy. They have time. How long can a little ship evade them?

Just a few thoughts, because I like speculating.

It's just that Simon's story had too much coincidence and luck in it to ring true for me (probably because it WAS a vague plot device).

I think you're quite right about who the six rebels are, though. (Didn't Joss say that Book isn't on the ship, either?) Whether or not Kaylee or Wash have done anything overtly rebellious, their very presence on the ship as part of the crew makes them culpable and arrestable.

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