A New Pope

POSTED BY: Connorflynn
UPDATED: Sunday, May 1, 2005 17:13
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OLDENGLANDDRY

Friday, April 22, 2005 10:00 PM

Celibacy!!! No wonder the Pope's so bloody miserable looking.
Still, I'll give it a go as long as i can keep my Playboy subscription.

SOUPCATCHER

Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:28 AM

Pope Diddy or Pope Peter Gabriel. Heh heh .

I might even rethink the whole "yuck" factor of transubstantiation if the next Pope was named Serenity (probably wouldn't be enough for a conversion, though). If he was a browncoat, however, he would choose the name Serenity IV (since we all know there will be a trilogy ).

Is this the part where someone starts adding up all the extra time in Purgatory we're accruing?

MONTANAGIRL

Monday, April 25, 2005 3:14 AM

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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Is this the part where someone starts adding up all the extra time in Purgatory we're accruing?

That reminds me of a line in Return to Me. The one old guy says, "You're going to be spending a lot of time in Purgatory, you are." To which the other old guy replies, "Yeah? Well at least I'll be with friends."

If you can be an idiot, I can be an idiot. - D'Argo

SOUPCATCHER

Monday, April 25, 2005 8:46 AM

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Originally posted by montanagirl:
That reminds me of a line in Return to Me. The one old guy says, "You're going to be spending a lot of time in Purgatory, you are." To which the other old guy replies, "Yeah? Well at least I'll be with friends."

Nice! Sounds like my kind of people

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ANTHONYT

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:30 AM

Hello,
I'd like to weigh in on the whole Nazi angle. Yes, it's tempting to point and laugh at the Pope, and say, "He was a Nazi!" And hardee har har, isn't that funny?

Unfortunately, the truth of the matter that there was an entire Population of Germany who did not start a resistance movement and try to kill Hitler. Why? Some didn't know. Some didn't care. Some knew and cared but wanted to live. We are all familiar with what happened to Rommel, yes? Going against Hitler from inside his own country, even if you were a famed General, was rather deadly.

We could also lay blame on every country in the world who delayed or failed to fight against Germany in WWII, yes? The United States saw what was happening and sat passively by until we were attacked. So did the Russians. So did a lot of countries.

And shall we hate every Italian and French citizen who did not rise up in opposition to the occupying Germans? Every human being who did not rise up as part of the resistance movement is as guilty of passively going along with Germany as a Hitler youth is. Most of the world, really.

There have been several generations on this Earth, of people who should have stood up and opposed evil... but did nothing in order to survive. Even in my own lifetime, this has been true.

But... let's say the new Pope was indeed a willing Nazi. Let's say he went around actively killing, with a grin on his blood soaked face. Let's pretend all of that is true...

He'd be as worthy to be Pope as anyone. Murderers made it into the highest ranks of Christianity when Jesus was alive. At least one of the Apostles was a member of an evil regime. So, being an ex-Hitler Youth or even a Nazi ought to have no standing whatsoever on whether a man ought to be Pope or not... at least if you're a Christian.

And if you're not a Christian, what do you care?

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

JASONZZZ

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 4:24 PM

You are right, he is really Emperor Palpatine.

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PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, May 1, 2005 5:05 AM

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He'd be as worthy to be Pope as anyone. Murderers made it into the highest ranks of Christianity when Jesus was alive. At least one of the Apostles was a member of an evil regime. So, being an ex-Hitler Youth or even a Nazi ought to have no standing whatsoever on whether a man ought to be Pope or not... at least if you're a Christian.

but if you are truly a Christian doesn't that go against everything that Jesus Christ stood for, where is the morality in being a nazi...???
this is like having your cake and eating it too, This man is claiming to have moral superiorty over people and he is in a leadership position, by your definition if christanity is evil then yes this man if he was in fact a willing nazi should be the pope.

I personally don't have a problem with this man being the pope wether he was... is... a nazi or not..because the Catholic church has always been full of despots and sickos..so this really isn't nothing new..it just brings forth the hypocrisy of their moral superiorty, and how totally phony it all is!!!

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And if you're not a Christian, what do you care?

the only thing I care about is the fact that these people who claim to be on some spirtual & moral highground are in fact just the opposite of what they claim to be, and that they are allowed to walk around without being called on thir shi*t!!

SCOTTISHBROWNCOAT

Sunday, May 1, 2005 2:07 PM

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but if you are truly a Christian doesn't that go against everything that Jesus Christ stood for, where is the morality in being a nazi...???

I think the point is that even if he was, (which it is known that he wasn't, just involuntarily placed in Hitler youth), then he definately is not now, especially considering his current actions and comments about respect for Jews, and the Unity of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. And since he is not a Nazi then Nazi Morality is a non-issue. However, even if he was and repented then the Christian ethic of Forgiveness must be in place. If you hold true to the teachings of Christ. Even Paul of Tarsus had a hateful beginning according to Christian scriptures, but look at what he became.

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this is like having your cake and eating it too, This man is claiming to have moral superiorty over people and he is in a leadership position,

This is an assumption. The fact is that Pope Benedict has not made any claim to moral superiority. In fact he had prayed that he would not be chosen as pope, he wanted to retire and spend the rest of his life in study.

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by your definition if christanity is evil then yes this man if he was in fact a willing nazi should be the pope.

??? What do you mean by this statement??? I did not read anyone define christianity in those terms you wrote, could you please elaborate on what you mean?

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I personally don't have a problem with this man being the pope wether he was... is... a nazi or not..because the Catholic church has always been full of despots and sickos..

That statement is somewhat tacky, but I will do my best to state the obvious... The Roman Catholic Church, like any entity on this planet Earth run by Humans is bound to be subject to corruption on small or large scales, this is just the nature of us. The Roman Catholic church has a darkened history, the same that any European institution during the Middle Ages had.
However, unlike many Kingdoms and other Christian denominations, the Roman Catholic Church has admitted it's part and apologized, but for some people that is not good enough.
You cannot Judge the value of an Entire Faith system on what happened Hundreds of Years ago, or on what a few wackos who claim the faith do.

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so this really isn't nothing new..it just brings forth the hypocrisy of their moral superiorty, and how totally phony it all is!!!

What? would that be, Religion in general, because I know of no religion or Philosophy, or Secular teaching, or any world view that hasn't suffered from it's share of corruption. Even Atheists have their extremeists, so please, do us a favor and take a look at the big picture before making statements such as these.

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the only thing I care about is the fact that these people who claim to be on some spirtual & moral highground are in fact just the opposite of what they claim to be, and that they are allowed to walk around without being called on thir shi*t!!

Ah good, It is always nice to see sh*t thrown into the debate for good measure, it really raises the standard...any way... Who is claiming the Morah Highground that is just the opposite? I know of many Bishops or Priests that have been "Called on thir shi*t", but how in the world is this relative at all to the effectiveness of Pope Benedict the 16th?
Are you claiming that you know with absolute certainity that he is not Moral? If you are, please elaborate on how you know this infomation for fact firsthand?
Sure, some peoples actions are not in harmony with their words, but unless their actions directly contradict their words, no one knows for sure.

The bottom line is that this discussion on the Pope has been a wonderful outlet for those folks to put up funny little pictures depicting Benedict as a Nazi or that stupid little character from star wars, or given people the floor to cuss or make generalizations. That is all fine and Dandy, but the fact remains;

The body of Benedict's work has not been com

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Sunday, May 1, 2005 5:05 PM

While I'm not Catholic, I am currently attending a Catholic High School and am deeply involved at my own Presbyterian church. At my school i am about 1 of 20 students (out of 400) who is liberal or on the liberal side. When the white smoke came out and the bells rang, our entire school took a pause from the schedule so that we could watch history in the making. When it was revealed that Ratzinger was now Pope Benedict XVI, I nearly slammed my head into my desk. I thought I would be one of the only ones to do this, or have the feeling of doing this, except for one of my teachers Sister Mary Ann who is a democrat, but while walking to prayer, many of the teachers where grouped together and talking about it... most of them were upset by the decision, and one even worried that Ratzinger would call Vatican III and send us all back into the dark ages.

They say he's supposed to be a kind of "inbetween" Pope. Kind of a way of holding things off until they can make a better decision...but the last Pope they said this about, called Vatican II and changed the entire world...

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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Sunday, May 1, 2005 5:13 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
You are right, he is really Emperor Palpatine.

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People at my school actually thought he was more of an
Uncle Fester looking guy. =]

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MAL: This is my scrap of nowhere. You go on and find your own.
SAFFRON: You can't just leave me here, on this
lifeless piece of crap moon...
MAL: Sure I can.
SAFFRON: I'll die.
MAL: Well, as a courtesy, you might start
getting busy on that, cause all this chatter ain't doin' me any kindness.

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