A New Pope
POSTED BY: Connorflynn
UPDATED: Sunday, May 1, 2005 17:13
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well I kind of feel for you,although I have to admit I'm not religious at all, I consider myself a spirtual person and I do believe in the soul and life after death and energy but as for a supreme being..I don't know and really don't care one way or the other I believe if there is one God then there could be many gods just as there is more then one person..the god in the judeo Christian bible comes off as a sociopathic maniac, and I personally don't understand why anyone would want to worship such a being but thats just me!!
I've always had some bias against the Catholic church...to me they have never really practiced the doctrine of christianty...they've always been secretive, and have tried to keep people in the dark, and stupid, they started the inquistion and were responsible for millions of death in the name of christianty
Popes like this new one, have denounced homosexuality but the Catholic church is rampant with homosexual priest and also child molesters and always have been... so they are also hypocritcal
I've always wondered why anyone would want to take advice from a person who doesn't or claims not to have sex....
sex is a natural part of being a human being its also one of the strongest biological forces that drives us as human being and I don't think its healthy to try an surpress those urges.. and I do believe surpessing those natural urges is bound to cause mental problems!!
or if they do give into their natural human urges , they are consumed by guilt...guilt for doing something that is natural..its sick..its totally sick!! and unhealthy
popes aren't supreme beings..they are humans
I look at the Catholic church at least the higher archy as more of a secret society a power structure that feeds of the ingorance of people
but good luck to you!!
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.Again, these are the simple facts, There are p riests in the Catholic Church that are married, In the Eastern Rites of the Church(not orthodox mind you but catholic under the Holy See),the priests are allowed to marry.
The Roman Catholic Church is comprised of about 27 distinct rites, the Latin Rite(95% of all Catholic
churches in America) comprise the largest and most...
actually in the beginning of Catholicism, Priest did marry, I don't remember the dates when they made a rule that priest couldn't marry but I know the reason why!!!
the priesthood started to accumulate great wealth, and the families of the priest after their deaths begin to stake claims on some of it, this started to become a major problem for the church
so they banned priest from marrying, alot of people think it has to do with spirtuality or trying to mimic Jesus Christ..but really it has nothing to do with that its for purely selfish and greedy reasons why the church banned priest from marrying
also Jesus himself was a Jew not a Christian and its highly unlikely that he would have been unmarried by the time he was 30, If I had to bet on the truth..I would say that he was indeed married and probably had some children to boot!!
and if you look at where the Catholic church started in (Rome)..they've always had a homosexual culture there..actually a homosexual lifestyle was considered to be highly spirtual and desireable by the Romans
I personally belive there is something fundamentally wrong with the Catholic church, not because of the sexual nature of the majority of priest in the church which is homosexual
but because they lie...they don't practice what they preach, because they are secretive, because they foster an atomsphere of fear and loathing
the claim to be somehow better then us average people they claim to he holy, and spirtual..but they aren't they are just men with faults like the rest us....they supress themselves in the name of Jesus Christ.and a sociopathic God
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Well. Benedict was only a Nazi Youth when he was 14. He said that he didn't like it, so I guess we'll just have to take his word for it.. Lord, just read yet another article where Ratzinger already has a media nickname... No, not Papa Ratzi, it's Papa-Nazi. Hang-on, how many more Pope do we have to go thru before the Anti-Christ? oh wait, or are we there already?
LOL!!!
I think thats kind of creepy that a former Nazi youth thats now the POPE was confirmed on Hitlers birthday.
he also looks creepy too!!
I don't know if he liked being a Nazi or not, the fact that he was wether he wanted to or not just doesn't sit well.
He doesn't seem very christian..but then very few Popes followed the teachings of jesus Christ..so nothing new there!!!
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
In any case, the point is that he was a Nazi when he was a young man, he had the option of not doing it.
Ah well, it is always nice to see people from abroad having so much knowledge about the Hitlerjugend and who was a Nazi during World War II.
First: Adolf Hitler ordered that every youth has to serve in the Hitlerjugend before Ratzinger was in the HJ. Schools had to register their pupils with the HJ. It was not that the youngsters had to go to some "HJ-recruiting office" and fill out a form to become a member. It was NOT a voluntary club to join.
The pupil would get a benefit from attending meetings of the HJ, in that the money that had to be payed for school would be payed by the Nazi-Party.
Ratzinger didn't attend the meetings even after being told by his teacher to go there "at least once to get the papers for the benefit".
But of course he had the choice to become a member of the HJ and he was a bad Nazi! Thank you for the insights into german history, mate.
Second: Ratzinger was drafted from his studies to become a priest to become a Flak-Helper.
Being 16 you probably want to live and not to be shot for not following the draft.
Of course he had the choice, but being the evil Nazi he probably joined all eager to kill some allied pilots.
Third: He was not a Nazi, since he was not a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP).
He was a young man living in a country that was in a war and was lead by a madman.
But of course every german was a Nazi, they should have all been maimed and killed!
Thank you for the insight again.
Fourth: Ratzinger deserted from his unit before the war ended. Deserters were shot on spot by the SS if captured or, to save ammo, just hanged on lampposts.
But he wouldn't have to fear that, being the Nazi he was, right?
It always makes me want to puke when I read that kind of posts.
But I am a german, so what does it matter, I am probably a Nazi, since my grandfather was in the german army (Wehrmacht), because he was drafted away from his family. Of course he could have dodged the draft, sentencing himself and his family to death. Then I would not be hear, so I have to be a Nazi, because my Grandfather must have been one, right?
Of course, every american soldier who fought in the Vietnam War is a babykiller and rapist, because it happpend.
And all american soldiers in the gulf region are war criminals because they torture prisoners!
I am not catholic, it isn't of any interest to me, who is Pope.
But the condemnation of every (now) old german man, who lived during World War II and "dared" to survive makes me sick.
If people would at least know what they talk about... but it is easier to pick up something from the yellow press than to do some reading and get the facts straight first.
Definetly pissed by some people's ignorant rants,
Gavida
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This whole Nazi thing is propaganda, and you can bet that the Left-wing media will jump on this. They will do their best to paint the new Pope as a Nazi. It’s retarded. A 14 year old German boy in Nazi Germany has about as much control over where he ends up as a 14 year old Jewish Boy in Nazi Germany. Ratzinger was no more responsible for being favored by the Germans then Jews were responsible for ending up in the death camps, to claim otherwise is to fail to recognize what totalitarianism is.
On the other hand, Ratzinger knows what totalitarianism is. I’m encouraged by Ratzinger’s Nazi experience. He was there. He saw first hand what brutal governments can do. That is an experience that can serve him well as Pope.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Originally posted by Gavida:
Some definitely unedited emotional ranting here...
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But of course every german was a Nazi, they should have all been maimed and killed!
Definetly pissed by some people's ignorant rants,
Gavida
Look "Mate", of course, not every single German is a Nazi, it's not like you a Mormon and you are cursed for life or something. Although every Nazi *should* be maimed or killed on principle, but that's pretty much taken care of at least on the insides, time will tell - no one lives forever.
But on your suggestion that I think every single German is unfit for life ? No, I'm just saying that a former Nazi youth shouldn't be a Pope, I would careless if a former Nazi youth is a shoe salesmen or the corner drugstore owner. Just not the Pope.
And get a grip of yourselves, I think you are about to bust a coronary or something... Better take 2 aspirins and have a mini-break.
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Third: He was not a Nazi, since he was not a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP).
He was a young man living in a country that was in a war and was lead by a madman.
...and we americans ought to find some sympathy for that situation. Jason, unless you have dodged the draft or failed to register with selective services, I think it mught be wise to make fewer high handed moral judgements. I have some hope for this pope inspite of my reservations about his more recent past (I don't think the actions or inactions of a child should be held against an adult man.) He chose the name of a reformer, a peacemaker, a liberal.
-Eli
If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
But on your suggestion that I think every single German is unfit for life ? No, I'm just saying that a former Nazi youth shouldn't be a Pope, I would careless if a former Nazi youth is a shoe salesmen or the corner drugstore owner. Just not the Pope.
I would agree, if it was his choice to become a member of the Hitlerjugend.
But of course he should be held responsible for being registered with the Hitlerjugend by the school authorities as ordered by Hitler.
And of course it is a woman's fault when she gets raped, right?
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
And get a grip of yourselves, I think you are about to bust a coronary or something... Better take 2 aspirins and have a mini-break.
No need to worry about my health, last health check was ok.
But no worries, I don't intend to put any more time or energy into this, since further discussing with someone who's... ah heck... just let me stay nice.....
I do not see further need for discussion on this matter, since you already know everything about Germany during World War II and I do not, even with recent german history being rubbed in since 4th grade in school.
Channel closed,
Gavida
Edit: Snipped out a sarcastic line that might have offend some people if gotten wrong
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Originally posted by Gavida:
I do not see further need for discussion on this matter, since you already know everything about Germany during World War II and I do not, even with recent german history being rubbed in since 4th grade in school.
Channel closed,
Gavida
Edit: Snipped out a sarcastic line that might have offend some people if gotten wrong
Yeah, well... I don't know what's worst, the fact that you (and the rest of modern Germany) have to be pretty much mass emasculated because of a bunch of dumb fools' completely crazed and irrational actions some 70+ years past, or that you have to be constantly reminded, humiliated, and punished for something you have no personal involvement in - other than a few chromosomes here and there. Hehe, we just keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again anyways. So, you and your fellow countrymen are getting all beaten out of shape - all for nothing. Same crap, different language, different locations.
And no, I certainly don't know every single thing about Germany, other than beer, Oktober Fest, Sauerbrauten, and lederhosen - ok, and the idiots who know nothing about the Reich from a hole in the ground pretending to be Nazi's. But I'm pretty certain that a former Nazi Youth shouldn't have been voted in as the Pope. Now I'm reminded of something about the New World Order, blah blah blah.
Now, the French, that's another matter altogether.
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Originally posted by Gavida:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
But on your suggestion that I think every single German is unfit for life ? No, I'm just saying that a former Nazi youth shouldn't be a Pope, I would careless if a former Nazi youth is a shoe salesmen or the corner drugstore owner. Just not the Pope.
I would agree, if it was his choice to become a member of the Hitlerjugend.
and you know this because you were standing there right next to him reading his mind? I know as much as you do about this - pretty much zilch on top of what his self-proclaimed and prolly self-revised history. You took it in one direction, and I took it in another in pure and complete speculation. No proof or disprove can ever be done - case closed. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Originally posted by Gavida:
But of course he should be held responsible for being registered with the Hitlerjugend by the school authorities as ordered by Hitler.
And of course it is a woman's fault when she gets raped, right?
Well, maybe you *do* know more about this then I do, since I have never raped or been raped. But statistics show that most rape victims are overpowered and immobilized first. So, I would say "no" in most instances... Some of the rest might just be whores who suffered from post self-regret. But then again, most real rapes don't get reported, so the stats can go either way. But... maybe I am more than sure you would like to tell me something about it.
Then again, we wouldn't be having this very same discussion if the guy was just trying to get a job as a volvo salesman...
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Originally posted by Gavida:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
And get a grip of yourselves, I think you are about to bust a coronary or something... Better take 2 aspirins and have a mini-break.
No need to worry about my health, last health check was ok.
But no worries, I don't intend to put any more time or energy into this, since further discussing with someone who's... ah heck... just let me stay nice.....
I do not see further need for discussion on this matter, since you already know everything about Germany during World War II and I do not, even with recent german history being rubbed in since 4th grade in school.
Channel closed,
Gavida
Edit: Snipped out a sarcastic line that might have offend some people if gotten wrong
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