A New Pope
POSTED BY: Connorflynn
UPDATED: Sunday, May 1, 2005 17:13
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Pretty sure Adolfy was voted in originally too. And we sure gave him a chance and a fair shake to start off with.
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You people are so full of shit. This message area should be called One Sided Political Discussions(right, discussion) instead of Real World Event Discussions. I come to this site to discuss Firefly. I go to other sites for other discussions.
Don't bother flaming me because I will add this thread to the other one I do not open. I truely hope that I do not have to stop visiting this entire site.
BTW, The Pope deserves respect by default and it is obvious that some of you have no idea what that is. The President also deserves respect by default.
Well, I am done with this thread.
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Respect is good. When and if I get a chance to meet him or visit the Vatican - I'd certainly be respectful - of the place and the position. But this is satire, caricature, and discussion. I can certainly be respectful for the rank and the uniform, it doesn't mean that I can't talk about the man and have to like it.
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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Well. Benedict was only a Nazi Youth when he was 14. He said that he didn't like it, so I guess we'll just have to take his word for it..
When I was a kid I was forced by my parents to try carrots. I didn't like them and have avoided them since. Now I'm forever cursed in the eyes of the world as an eater of carrots.
We can dwell on what he and the rest of Greater Germany was forced to do when he was 14...or we can pick one of the 64 years he's lived since then. I for one can never forgive him for what happened in 1963. Then there the fall of '88. Oh, and who can forget a three month period during the summer of 2001.
As for those who don't like his conservative positions and feel like the church needs reform...maybe your not really catholics at all...maybe you are protestants. Lucky for you Christianity comes in a variety of flavors. You can 'not go to church on Sunday' in many different ways. Me, I'm a Methodist, yet I find my church lacking in formaility and rigid structure that I enjoy seeing in the Catholic churches...yet my pastor is the best I've seen and she'd have no voice in that system. Good thing we are allowed to choose.
My real concern is the name. Benedict the XVI? Thats alot of competition, how does one stand out when the Benedict room is already full. All I really get from his name is that he's not innocent or pious, and certainly no John Paul. Just another Benedict.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Well. Benedict was only a Nazi Youth when he was 14. He said that he didn't like it, so I guess we'll just have to take his word for it..
When I was a kid I was forced by my parents to try carrots. I didn't like them and have avoided them since. Now I'm forever cursed in the eyes of the world as an eater of carrots.
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H
Good thing you weren't voted the Pope (well, this guy's prolly gonna pop in about 5 or 6 years. So, you might still have a chance for the running...), if you were, we would've had to examine your carrot hatred past.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
Well. Benedict was only a Nazi Youth when he was 14. He said that he didn't like it, so I guess we'll just have to take his word for it..
When I was a kid I was forced by my parents to try carrots. I didn't like them and have avoided them since. Now I'm forever cursed in the eyes of the world as an eater of carrots.
We can dwell on what he and the rest of Greater Germany was forced to do when he was 14...or we can pick one of the 64 years he's lived since then. I for one can never forgive him for what happened in 1963. Then there the fall of '88. Oh, and who can forget a three month period during the summer of 2001.
As for those who don't like his conservative positions and feel like the church needs reform...maybe your not really catholics at all...maybe you are protestants. Lucky for you Christianity comes in a variety of flavors. You can 'not go to church on Sunday' in many different ways. Me, I'm a Methodist, yet I find my church lacking in formaility and rigid structure that I enjoy seeing in the Catholic churches...yet my pastor is the best I've seen and she'd have no voice in that system. Good thing we are allowed to choose.
My real concern is the name. Benedict the XVI? Thats alot of competition, how does one stand out when the Benedict room is already full. All I really get from his name is that he's not innocent or pious, and certainly no John Paul. Just another Benedict.
H
Well written and good points.
I was raised Catholic. When you are raised to be a follower of a particular religion, it isn't until you are of sufficient age and sufficient mind to be able to sufficiently choose whether that particular religion suits your personality and personal belief.
The problem I see with Fundamentalism in any form is that it is not about the religion , but more about what is wrong with those who don't follow every edict of that religion. Fundamentalists of every religion don't believe in inclusion (Pretend to be inclusive, but aren't) but seclusion from what I've seen and participated in.
Benedict XVI isn't a Nazi. It was wrong to characterize him as such. He defected from the German army at his first opportunity. Beleive it or not, there were ALOT more Germans who fought in WWII, not because they believed in the cause, but because they were afraid not to. At any rate I digress.
I guess my point, being a non-practicing catholic, is that the Church IS running out of priests. It IS running out of young followers too. Primarily because of this constant edict that, if you don't wear blue today (this is just a exaggerated example), you shall be excommunicated.
When religion becomes a source of inclusion rather then selection exclusion, perhaps it will be more attractive to me I guess.
As for the Dalai Lama..the statements above were incorrect.
This is taken from a paper regarding Homosexuality and religions in Asia and Europe:
http://asef.on2web.com/subSite/ccd/documents/briefingpaper_001.pdf
Specifically inregards to the Dalai Lama:
Many Buddhists believe that sexual orientation and gender identity is beyond a
person's control, as are race and gender. It has been speculated that
homosexual orientation may arise from the residual karma of a previous life
spent in the opposite gender. Transgender is believed to be the punishment for
the bad karma of a past life. That is, a man who commits adultery is thought to
be reborn as a transsexual.
There are many schools and sects of Buddhism. As with Christianity, no
consensus exists within Buddhism about gay, lesbian and transgender
relationships. Buddhism is most concerned with whether an action is helpful and
based on good intentions.
Nevertheless, it is worth noting the words of the Dalai Lama on homosexuality:
“(From a) Buddhist point of view (lesbian and gay sex) is generally considered
sexual misconduct. However, such proscriptions are for members of the Buddhist
faith and from society's view
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:Quote:I agree.
Originally posted by ScottishBrownCoat:
Pope Benedict deserves a fair shake,
this man was born in 1927, he was a just a kid and it was national law (and war time) that forced him into the Nazi youth...
it is ridiculous to hold that against him.
In fact choosing the name Benedict XVI is probably a reference back to Benedict XV who tried so hard to bring peace during WWI.
I believe the name means that he wishes to be an instrument of peace...and I think he should be given a chance.
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You said;
"As for married priests..Roman Catholicism does not allow Married Priests. Priests could have BEEN married and their spouses could have passed on, or an annulment COULD have occurred, but a Roman Catholic Priest cannot be married..period."
In Regards to this statement, I would ask that you re-read exactly what I said;
"Married Priests: There are Married priests, they are in the Eastern Rite of the Catholic church, any Catholic man interested in becoming a priest after getting married can change to one of these rites at any time and still remain within the Holy See, it is as simple as that. Just ask your Bishop or Priest if you don't believe me.
The Latin Rite only has a few married priests, but they are there. That is simply the way of the Latin Rite, it is not for everyone, but alas, it is there."
Again, these are the simple facts, There are priests in the Catholic Church that are married, In the Eastern Rites of the Church(not orthodox mind you but catholic under the Holy See),the priests are allowed to marry.
The Roman Catholic Church is comprised of about 27 distinct rites, the Latin Rite(95% of all Catholic
churches in America) comprise the largest and most
powerful of rites. Simple research or a phone call to a Catholic Priest will confirm exactly what I am saying, just ask him about the Eastern Rite of the Roman Catholic Church and he will tell you ALL about it.
Also, you must be married before entering seminary of the Eastern Rite seminaries, you cannot Marry after you take the priestly ordination, it must have been pre-existant, also eastern Rite Bishops Cannot be married.
Thanks
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My point exactly!
who knows whether he is a Nazi now or not. Only time will tell - and better do it quick too - the guy prolly only has maybe 5 or 6 years more before he kicks the bucket. In any case, the point is that he was a Nazi when he was a young man, he had the option of not doing it. I am not holding it against him, but he isn't applying to be the local union clerk either. The man's got the most Supreme religious leader job for the western world - sorry, record's got to be pretty spotless for that. Anything less than that is an indication of something less than desirable in character. For God's sake, there were 115 other cardinals and they couldn't have picked someone who had a better record, who can do better. Who did he pay off (er, don't even want to think about what with) to get *this* job.
Hah, read about something else that's completely dumb-ass'tic:
Who would leave a 1742 Sanctus Seraphin violin and Francois Tourte bow worth $850k in a car to go shopping at the Mall? She would:
abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/042005_nw_missing_violin.html
Aruga Aruga! maybe talented, but just another dumbass. She left the window down when she went shopping in the Mall!!! 
Should have at *least* put a lock on it:
img249.echo.cx/img249/9099/violin6en.jpg
Closeup of 1742 Sanctus Seraphin 
www.palosverdes.com/tlcmusic/violin.htm
Nicola Benedetti.... hmmmm...
Anne Sophie Mutter
aaaah... The Ahn Trio
the Eroica Trio
And of course, Bond
Oh, and before I forget today:
Happy B-Day Adolfy:
Never ceases to amaze me the kind of crap that people are still willing to foist onto themselves.
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Isn't the basic tenet of Christianity forgiveness? If a Christian-persecuting Pharisee called Saul could become Paul, a devout beliver and essentially the founder of Christianity as we know it, why can't Benedict be forgiven for something that happened when he was a kid, that he didn't have much choice about, and that happened over fifty years ago?
I'm not Catholic, and I'm not sure how he's going to fare as the Pope, but I'm not going to say that he's unfit for the office based on his participation as a Hitler youth. I might question the choice of a hard-line conservative in the modern world climate, but I'm willing to wait and see how he actually performs.
Forgiveness and redemption can be powerful things.
If you can be an idiot, I can be an idiot. - D'Argo
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