Political speculation on FIREFLY
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Thursday, April 7, 2005 23:51
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Quote:Mind? No, but I think you were correct in your previous attribution of devil's advocate. I like to think of trolling as cloak trailing, provoking aggression rather than my attempts to provoke thought; I usually fail, of course.
Originally posted by zoid:
Do you mind if I use you as an example of what 'trolling' should be?
EDIT: this is the best I can do on the Deck reference without a transcript
Quote:Thanks to the guys at http://www.campusnut.com/tv_e.cfm?article_id=706
Logan accesses Lydecker’s personal files and finds out Lydecker’s past. Lydecker had a brilliant military career until his wife was murdered and the killer was never found. Then, Lydecker became an alcoholic and was forced to undergo drug rehabilitation and attend the future’s equivalent of Alcoholic Anonymous meetings. So, in kind of an odd plot move, the scene flashes to Lydecker, or Donald, as he says in the meetings, giving a talk at an AA meeting. At first I’m thinking, oh no, they’re going to try and show the humane side of the evil guy, but Lydecker stays true to form. Instead of telling his sob story about how his wife was murdered, he tells everyone in the room that they’re just losers and that if they want to get over their problem they just have to be strong and make a choice. He, on the other hand, only goes to the meetings to remind himself what he doesn’t want to become again. Nice.
Yes, it is Dark Angel - which was shot in Canada
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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I shudder at the prospect of a country where slavery is of the norm, science is abolished and replaced by a Xtian retoric that says that 6 billion people desceneded from two, and a general hypocritical attitude towards minorities by using the Bible as a tool for subjugation of anyone who isn't a white male. Of course, much of what I said still exists today in the South, but not as overblown as what I could've been if the Confederates won.
ROFLMAO!
Slavery was an institution on its way out. Unfortunately America held on to it longer than Europe. Shame on us.
Not touching the religion thing. You do your thing and I'll do mine. I don't question your faith, don't question mine or anyone elses. Nothing will start a heated arguement faster than politics or religion, that is why I steer clear of both.
Science is aboloished in the South? Funny, seems to me there is plenty of industry, scientific labs, research facilities and the like down here. Maybe you know something I don't.
Last time I looked around me no one is being subjugated by the whites, we don't wear white sheets, and no one beats anyone over the head w/ the Bible. Contrary to whatever tripe you have read Southern does not equal racist, bigot or white supremacist. People like that do exist all over the world but thankfully make up a very small percentage of the population. By the way, not all racists or bigots are white or Southern. Might want to look into that.
As for what may or may not have resulted from the South winning her independence is a mystery. We can all speculate on "what if". Your obvious misconceptions of the South and her people may color your judgement however you like. I for one refrain from judging a people or their country on the actions of one or a handful of her citizens. Judgmental statements and slanderous remarks smack a bit of bigotry to me:
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
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Interesting how there was a cry at the top of the thread about education in schools as regarding the reasons why the American Civil war started...
Being a brit (of sorts) I know little about the finer details about the American Civil war and the little I know has been acquired through my own readings and/or hearing opinions such as the ones above, however y'know what, I followed Iraq and the conflict there-in and I still can't give you a definitive reason as to why there was a war there. I have my suspicions but many I know have differing opinions also....
It's a tricky thing History, and Historical fact.... No?
Fascinated....
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'Belly responded in timely fashion, thus:
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Mind? No, but I think you were correct in your previous attribution of devil's advocate. I like to think of trolling as cloak trailing, provoking aggression rather than my attempts to provoke thought; I usually fail, of course...
The failure is not yours, except perhaps for the assumption of a baseline intelligence (capacity for thought), which may be a bit higher than is realistic...
Your point on 'devil's advocate' is well taken, and I think I will revisit that metaphor ("he's not just the devil's advocate, he's his client as well" or words to that effect). Good call.
And I may be trying to ascribe more utility to trolling than the term will hold; but perhaps I can morph one or two of these wannabes into something more useful, instead of just putting them all into the compacter. I'd like to change the concept of 'trolling' to the fishing reference (i.e., "drawing a baited line or lure behind a boat"), rather than the "Three Billy Goats Gruff" reference type. I've already made the change in my own mind, so no offense intended (and would everybody else please try to keep up?). The other kind of troll doesn't deserve dignification with a term of its own, other than 'sh*thead'.
Setting a beneficial standard for 'trolling' might elevate that baseline you're seeking. If a particular poster is a known 'troller' or 'troll', one would know that some discernment is required in order to comprehend his/her intent (and possibly some googling and/or Wikipedia-ing); but, it's worth the effort. Additionally, the initial reaction to someone claiming to be a 'Troll' would be "Oh, goodie! Someone's going to challenge us intellectually!" Anyone who couldn't maintain the high standards of the Troll would just be a 'sh*thead' or alternatively, 'F*x Exec'.
One thing is sure: I will not allow someone to come into my home and abuse others ab initio, regardless the mythological title applied to the behavior. "I'm a mean old man."
v/r,
-zed
P.S.
I'm copying this post into 'ask ndugu', as a preamble for the massacre to follow.
P.P.S.
(EDITed, because you EDITed):
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Yes, it is Dark Angel - which was shot in Canada
Those damned Canadians! When will they ever purge themselves of their fixation with firearms and shooting things? (NB: That was the kind of 'trolling' I was talkin' about.)
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TheSomnambulist wrote:Quote:
It's a tricky thing History, and Historical fact.... No?
Fascinated....
Indeed. Many take what is in books at face value, failing to realize that such books tend to be written by the victors of conflicts.
I have done more research than even I care to admit on the War for Southern Independence and it seems that historical fact and History seldom coincide.
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Originally posted by zoid:
I'd like to change the concept of 'trolling' to the fishing reference
My understanding is that this is the correct analogy for Usenet trolling.
EDIT: by this I mean that (the quoted original), of course
Asking the Wombat at:
http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=troll&action=Search
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P'Belly:
*zoid loads and reads the URL*
Yeah! See? That's what you do, and it's spot on. Just what the doctor ordered for our entire freakin' civilization!
Keep up the good fight. You may never make a silk purse out of that particular sow's ear, but it's really La Manchian of you to try. You're "my kind of stupid," as our quixotic leader, Malcolm Reynolds might say.
Sincerely,
zoid
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And from a historical standpoint, that was back when the Usenet was the only existing message board available. Now we've got Internet message boards (i.e., FFFn); but I think the term should equally apply. It's just gotten degenerated into 'mindless' troll, rather than the deprecated original 'thoughtful' definition.
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Originally posted by YT:Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
We also contribute disproportionally comedians, actors, scientists,
. . . usually to the USA. And don't forget hockey players. (OK, this year, you can forget hockey players (praise Bob))
Thats true. We hear about alot of Canadians doing big things here in America...but not so much about them doing it in Canada. Lets face it, Canadians are a big part of American entertainment culture...but in Canada they are relegated to various forms of internet porn and nude journalism (and hockey).
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Hero:
And what's wrong with nude journalism? Mmmm... Katie Couric.
-zed
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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
I have done more research than even I care to admit on the War for Southern Independence and it seems that historical fact and History seldom coincide.
Its the War of Northern Aggression.
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