Political speculation on FIREFLY
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Thursday, April 7, 2005 23:51
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Of course I know that history is written by the winning side. Part of the appeal of FIREFLY is seeing the POV of the losing side of a war. It's just that I don't think that slavery is a political ideology that a new country should aspire to keep. I shudder at the prospect of a country where slavery is of the norm, science is abolished and replaced by a Xtian retoric that says that 6 billion people desceneded from two, and a general hypocritical attitude towards minorities by using the Bible as a tool for subjugation of anyone who isn't a white male. Of course, much of what I said still exists today in the South, but not as overblown as what I could've been if the Confederates won.
"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
We'll keep that in mind when we reminisce about that time in 1812 when after you guys invaded us, we went down to D.C. and burned the White House to the ground.
"NO HAI ES BANDAI. THERE IS....NO.....BAND. AND YET....WE HEAR A BAND."
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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
We'll keep that in mind when we reminisce about that time in 1812 when after you guys invaded us, we went down to D.C. and burned the White House to the ground.
I thought you were Canadian. You really don't know much about American or British history. Guess you'll be taking credit for Canada's great victory in the Faulkland War. Oh for the days when Canada's mighty fleet ruled the seas, when Africa and India were Canadian provinces, and the sun never set on the Canadian Empire. Then there's Canada's pivotal role in defeating the Japanese in WW2, standing up to keep the Soviets out of Europe, and single-handedly expelling Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991. Not to mention Canada dominance in American football and baseball or Canada's contributions to space exploration and tsunami relief. The list goes on and on. Books are filled with the exploits of other, real nations, that you can take credit for.
For the record, slavery did not cause the American Civil War (Canada did...hahahaha). Actually it was a combination of factors including slavery, regional economic, social, and political differences, and the election of 1860, the reactionaries in South Carolina, Lincoln's irresponsible escaltion of the conflict, etc, etc.
In fact war could have been avoided. Only a handful of states had rebelled. The issue could have and should have been submitted to the courts. Lincoln, however, knew he would lose the court case and gambled for open conflict. This in turn caused the conservatives and moderates (states like Virginia and Tennessee) to abandon the Union.
H
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NO!NO!NO!!!!
PLEASE STOP!!! LOOK,IM A COMEDIAN AND WHILE I DONT TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH ON STAGE---I LOVE TALKING ABOUT RELIGION AND POLITICS,BUT PLEEEEEAASSEEE AFTER THIS ELECTION,DONT PUT MY ONLY--FANTASY FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD--YET STILL DEEPLY MOVING AND REAL--SHOW. I DONT WANT TO KNOW IF MAL AND THE CREW IS DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN....NOW I KNOW I SHOULD JUST STOP READING THIS POST--WHICH I WILL, BUT PLEASE, ALL IM SAYING IS DONT TAKE THESE CHARACTERS AND PUT THEM IN TODAYS VERSION OF WHAT A DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IS BECAUSE FRANKLY NEITHER PARTY IS WHAT THEY ONCE WERE.
"Hamsters is nice."
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but I'm sure that there are some Republicans here that detest the Alliance.
Think what you will about possible ulterior motives; the main issues motivating the war in Iraq were squelching terrorists and supporters of terrorism and breaking apart a government that enjoyed oppressing people's rights and torturing little girls. How about that, Saddam was just like the Alliance, just with less power.
I think I'm going to be ill. Is it only in the UK that we now know that the Iraq war had nothing to do with terrorism (there were NO links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, there were NO weapons of mass destruction blah, blah blah!)? If it was about stopping a government that enjoys opressing people's rights and torturing little girls, why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia (to name but one other sovreign state that's down right mean)?
Let's face it, as stated already above, the Iraq war, like all others, was about economies and money . . .
Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.
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To claim the American Civil war had 'nothing to do with slavery' is far more inaccurate then saying it was fought just to end slavery. The fact is while the war wasn't fought explicitly to end slavery the political actions (such as the Missouri Compromise, and later the compromise of 1850, and Kansas-Nebraska act) that attempted to address the issue and maintain some sort of balance between free and slave states were a major contributing factor to the tensions that resulted in the war.
I think the independents in firefly are clearly supposed to represent the confederacy, but only as it's been portrayed in many old westerns. The idea of the disillusioned former confederate soldier moving out west to get away has long been a staple of that genre and I think that's as deep as the parallels between the independents and confederates go.
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NO!NO!NO!!!!
PLEASE STOP!!! LOOK,IM A COMEDIAN AND WHILE I DONT TALK ABOUT IT AS MUCH ON STAGE---I LOVE TALKING ABOUT RELIGION AND POLITICS,BUT PLEEEEEAASSEEE AFTER THIS ELECTION,DONT PUT MY ONLY--FANTASY FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD--YET STILL DEEPLY MOVING AND REAL--SHOW. I DONT WANT TO KNOW IF MAL AND THE CREW IS DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN....NOW I KNOW I SHOULD JUST STOP READING THIS POST--WHICH I WILL, BUT PLEASE, ALL IM SAYING IS DONT TAKE THESE CHARACTERS AND PUT THEM IN TODAYS VERSION OF WHAT A DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN IS BECAUSE FRANKLY NEITHER PARTY IS WHAT THEY ONCE WERE.
"Hamsters is nice."
Can't help it...and since you asked.
Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River (pro small-business, anti-big govt., pro life, Ex-military, NRA, pro-marriage, crazy...describes some or all).
Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book (Book is a conservative Democrat, Simon a NE intellectual, Kaylee a union girl, and Inarra...she's a whore).
So its a cross section...just like America.
H
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Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River
Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book
And what about Wash??
Also, I disagree about Kaylee. I don't think she cares about benefits....Except maybe compression coils!
-Ratboy
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Originally posted by Hero:
Republicans- Mal, Zoe, Jayne, and River
Democrats- Kaylee, Simon, Inarra, Book
And what about Wash??
Also, I disagree about Kaylee. I don't think she cares about benefits....Except maybe compression coils
Wash doesn't vote. He might have voted once, but now he doesn't. Probably would describe himself as a Democrat, but likely holds a mix of moderate and conservative values, but very liberal on social issues. But it don't matter, cause he just does not vote.
Kaylee is a union girl from a union family. She's the kind of girl you could take to a AA baseball game and she'd enjoy it. Hard worker, good values. I grew up in coal country...thats union workers for you. Now the unions themselves are as corrupt as anything you'll find. But the workers, they's good folk.
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I think I'm going to be ill. Is it only in the UK that we now know that the Iraq war had nothing to do with terrorism (there were NO links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, there were NO weapons of mass destruction blah, blah blah!)? If it was about stopping a government that enjoys opressing people's rights and torturing little girls, why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia (to name but one other sovreign state that's down right mean)?
Let's face it, as stated already above, the Iraq war, like all others, was about economies and money . . .
Okay, I'm lost, I'm angry, and I'm
armed.
*sings* I think I love you, so what am I so afraid of?
Dear Holy Christ I loved that. I would have chimed in and said something at least 50% less articulately, but luckily you got there first. I think most people from the UK share that view, probably because our media, though faulted is a lot more honest than America's.
Did you notice, that the fact that Robert Mugabe, Leader of Zimbabwe who not only persecutes his own people, but the white people living in his country was re-elected, and though it was clearly fraudulant, all anyone did was say: the election was fraudulent. Robert Mugabe has also banned our media from entering, yet this is just accepted? Well I'm sure there's nothing to hide, maybe he's just a very camera shy man..
I think the answer is among us, and it's black and sticky, and worth a few bob.
Like Michael Moore (he is a little crazy, but generally accurate) said, how can you ever justify invading a country and killing many of it's inhabitants to "liberate" them, when they haven't even asked for help. (Well that's the gist of what he said, I'm not quoting exactly.)
On the issue of terrorism, as we can see it's everywhere. Evil is everywhere. Many many people in the middle-east hate the West. So I guess we'll just invade them, because then they'll be humming our National Anthems patriotically non-stop. I'm sure they're heads will be filled so much with joy by it, they'll completely forget the notion of terrorism at all! Lame sarcasm aside, I don't understand how the actions of both us, and the U.S could ever be justified. Does anyone even remember who Osama Bin Laden is, and yet he supposedly is why all this started?
I also wonder how anyone could see Farenheit 9/11 and still vote Republican. Whether or not the Iraq War is an issue, having someone like that as a leader even if they are improving the economy or healthcare, seems ludicrous to me.
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@reginaroadie:
Wait a minute, I was just making a joke! Chill out man.
1) If you check my profile, I am a Canadian browncoat. Winnipeg is where I am 
2) I was just bringing up some commentary from the Simpsons on the Slavery issue. Which I found funny.
3) When Jon said that, I burst out laughing, along with everyone that I've told that to.
4) Get a sense of humour.
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"Canada being mad at you is like Mr. Rogers throwing a brick through your window." -Jon Stewart, The Daily Show
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