Battlestar Galactica - new game: who else is a Cylon?

POSTED BY: Idefix
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 17:52
VIEWED: 10643
PAGE 3 of 3

PREV PAGE 1 2 3

THATWEIRDGIRL

Monday, March 21, 2005 4:14 AM

Wow. who would have thought...all these years...I'm a Ophiuchus. cool.

www.thatweirdgirl.com
---
Can we not revel in our cyber-love?

IDEFIX

Monday, March 21, 2005 10:15 AM

maybe I'm dumb - certainly feel like it at the moment - but who's "boxey"?

Idefix

CHANNAIN

Monday, March 21, 2005 4:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Idefix:
maybe I'm dumb - certainly feel like it at the moment - but who's "boxey"?

Don't feel dumb. If you didn't see the classic BSG, you wouldn't know who Boxey was. Count yourself fortunate, for the rest of us who do are scarred for life.

In the original version of BSG, Boxey was about six or seven years old. He started as Serina's son, then Apollo's adopted son after Serina was killed. There was a nice romance between Apollo and Serina, and of course the Cylons killed her, leaving Apollo to "soldier on" and raise her son as his own. Mostly, Boxey was the "kid factor." He spent the entire series chasing after a chimpanzee in a "daggit" suit shouting "Muffy! Muffy! Darn you daggit!"

In the current version, Boxey is a war orphan. You may recall the pre-teen kid in the pilot that Boomer took under her wing after she took him off Caprica. Later, Starbuck brought him into a pilot breifing and he mouthed off to Tigh. That's the current version of Boxey. Thing that gets me though, is that the original Boxey at least had a reason for being on board the Galactica, being Apollo's son and Adama's grandson. The current version doesn't have that. He should have been shuffled off to one of the civilian ships, but he's still there.

Fans come and fans go...but zealots are with you until the bitter black end.
I draw...therefore I am. http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?rid=7922
Minnesota Meetup - join us! http://firefly.meetup.com/45/

CYBERSNARK

Monday, March 21, 2005 5:15 PM

Yeah, but he seems to have been adopted as the pilots' collective mascot. Most of the pilots (Starbuck just being the most prominent example) seem to have a willingness to thumb their noses at "proper procedure" when it gets in the way (and Adama's casual command style probably doesn't help). I can easily see them "aiding and abetting the stowaway" as a minor way to p*ss off Tighe.

I actually like the new version, I wish he'd turn up more.

-----
We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

MISTRESSOFUSELESSKNOWLEDGE

Monday, March 21, 2005 8:21 PM

I am a total BSG geek now - the new series is awesome! Ron Moore has stated in interviews that the number 12 is significant - 12 colonies, 12 gods in the pantheon, 12 models of Cylons, 12 snakes in the dream. Also, that next season will focus even more on the cylons "faith" and religion, that Six loves to push onto Baltar. I for one got the heebie jeebies when Baltar looked up and said "I AM an instrument of God." Talk about your personality disorders and delusions of grandeur. This is great story-telling, because of great characters like Baltar, Adama, Boomer, the President, and of course Starbuck.
I just wish Apollo got a little more time - but at least he finally got some serious flyboy action at the base. Now, who do I think would be the cylon? Gaeta is a possible one, as is Dualla, the female on the bridge who makes all the calls for Adama. Also, any number of the press people - there seem to be 20-30 of those around at any time.

I am not sure - mostly because I haven't figured out just what those Cylons are up to yet. They seem to like playing with the humans' heads more than they want to destroy them. I agree with the poster who said it seems like everyone is being tested, possibly by some superior being or force. I can't wait to find out. I love not being able to predict what is going to happen - Lost is the same way! These are the two best shows out there right now!

Mistress of Useless Knowledge
(Heading off to create Six in Sims 2)

DELERIAD

Monday, March 21, 2005 9:51 PM

I must admit I came to Firefly through BSG. I had been blown away by the mini series and wanted more. I noticed that Zoic were involved with Firefly and figured that if Whedon was writing it that it would be worth shelling out for the DVD. Between BSG, Firefly and now the new Doctor Who this is a good time to be a geek.

Anyway, my personal vote is for Billy to be a toaster. In the miniseries he joins up with Roslin just as she's going to Galactica so he's new. He claims to have a family who are now conveniently dead and every time he fetches Roslin water, something odd happens. I know that Gatea's the favourite candidate among many though. I won't say more because I'm guessing that most here have yet to see the final two episodes.

Bruce

OLDENGLANDDRY

Monday, March 21, 2005 10:15 PM

Boxey's obviously a Cylon. Though the paranoia among the colonials will make it unlikely that the tin daggit will make an apearance (count your blessings).
I dont want to give too much away about the last two episodes for those that have'nt seen them but I cant help thinking that the Cylons already know where Earth is, getting the colonials to lead them there is just too obvious a hook.
And what about that other quote from their religious writings: "This has all happened before, and it will all happen again."

IDEFIX

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:59 PM

thanks Channain. I never quite got the name of the boy but I do remember him. there were so many new characters to get to know in the mini series I had to watch it several times to get most of their names. but that's what makes a show good. having to watch it several times to get everything.

if he's a cylon or not? not sure he doesn't seem to be around that much...

cool thread so far. interesting guesses.

idefix

BOBSUNCORP

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:15 PM

Season 1 Spoilers!!

*************************************************

Has everyone forgotten about Col Tigh's wife? The way she turned up was extremely suspicious and at first everyone did believe she was a Cylon until Baltar said she wasn't. But we also know he faked the test, so it is still possible.

I believe the reason there are only 12 is because the Cylons took 12 humans prisoner in the last war and can clone them, only with a Cylon brain (presumably something that cannot be detected with an x-ray as that would be too easy). This procedure will only work if the clone can be grown with the brain already inside, limiting them to the models they already have. I suppose they could take another prisoner but then would have to wait for its clone to grow to maturity before it can be used for infiltration.

Also It would strike me again and again that the stuff that No6 put baltar through seemed to be a form of brainwashing, as she succeeded in step by step making him believe in "God" and then to doing whatever she told him was Gods will by process of extreme stress and pain and pleasure stimulation ("there are 5 lights not 4"). This leads me to believe that some of the human form cylons are being created as humans who are then turned into agents like sleepers. Boomer (on BSG) I believe represents the end of this process, which is why she was acting like a sleeper, where she knew what was happening but could not control herself, or when she even did manage to overcome her programming briefly.

The point of all this however is that Baltar is himself a cylon. Look at the evidence: how the hell did he survive a direct hit by what looked like an extremely powerful shockwave that destroyed his house. He was sheltering by no6, but she is not exactly a fat girl and she said herself that she would survive the explosion even though her body wouldn't, so how did he? It seems to me that he woke up in an identical body some distance away, just like our metal friends. Then there is the fact that he is communicating with a cylon. Maybe he is crazy, maybe she is breaking the rules by talking to him (I believe her when she says she is in love with him) or maybe, he is a cylon who has not yet been programmed into acting as they want.

As for starbuck, I don't believe she is a cylon (although her ability to fly a cylon ship counts against her - but then original starbuck did that in original BSG so maybe that is just a homage) although I have been wondering about Billy, just simply because he is too fundamentally necessary to the smooth running of the presidency and therefore the government. His is the kind of position which is always most valuable to espionage agents as he is so useful he is almost above suspicion. Also he is too nice and too useful. Either he is a Cylon or he is the best nicest most efficient and helpful political aide ever. Years of watching shows where the scriptwriters try and shock the viewer has made me extremely cynical, although thankfully so far BSG has kept me guessing about how episodes turn out.

Finally I think the question has to be raised "who sent the info to Adama about there only being 12 models?" We never find out and it is never pursued. This must be info given to him by someone who knows therefore is a cylon themselves and in my opinion it is one of the people who do not know they are cylons but do know this info. Baltar or Boomer are the two strongest possibilities. If we had heard no6 tell Baltar then the answer would be obvious and it would mean that Gaius is trying to do his best, but we never have. Assuming he wasn't told off camera (that would be cheating) then the only way he would have known would be some hidden knowledge that he doesn't know he has and maybe he wouldn't even remember sending the message. Alternatively Boomer could be reacting the same way, as we know that she has suffered memory loss about what her other brainwashed self has been doing, possible also that she obtained this knowledge from same source.

Or it could be one of the cylo

EVILMIKE

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:52 PM

Here's a list of statements/inferences that I made up after last week's episode. I'm not sure it really makes sense, but they do seem to fit together.

"This has all happened before and will happen again."

"Before the exodus, humanity lived with the gods on Kobol."

There are 12 lords of Kobol.

There are 12 types of Cylon.

Apollo is the name of one of the gods.

Apollo is the call sign of Lee Adama.

"Adama is a Cylon."

PREV PAGE 1 2 3