PRAY FOR TERRI SCHIAVO
POSTED BY: Conscience
UPDATED: Sunday, June 19, 2005 02:31
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It being produced by one Dr. is meaningless. It's if it can be consistantly reproduced. Which doesn't seem to be the case.
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Dr. Hammesfahr was NOT appointed by the court. He operates a cash in advance clinic where he claims to have successfully treated over 250 pts but apparently does not have either case histories or papers in peer-reviewed journals to support his claims. Judge Greer basically called him a fraud because he could not produce evidence for what he said or what he was proposing to do.
Hammesfahr also claims to have been nominated for the Nobel Prize. Apparently, the nomination was by a Congressman (don't know who) and obviously wasn't voted on/ approved by the Nobel committee.
Edited to add: The link to Scientology is interesting, but it seems very weak. Michael Schiavo would have to be a member in order for the allegations to make sense. Being in Clearwater doesn't mean that the whole case is being directed by Scientologists. Heck,I was in Clearwater and my MIL lived there for years and neither one of us even knew that they were based there.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Dr. Hammesfahr was NOT appointed by the court. He operates a cash in advance clinic where he claims to have successfully treated over 250 pts but apparently does not have either case histories or papers in peer-reviewed journals to support his claims. Judge Greer basically called him a fraud because he could not produce evidence for what he said or what he was proposing to do.
Hmmm... I think we are mincing words here. Dr. Hammesfahr is a board certified physician and one of the 5 "court proceedings approved" physicans to exam Terri in 2001-2002 and provide their expert opinion to the case.
http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder11-02.txt
Abstractappeal.com has lots of good court documents to go thru. 3 of the 5 original physicians determined PVS, but the other two (including Dr. Hammesfahr) were more optimistic.
Ok. So Dr. Hammesfahr doesn't operate in a completely academic research mode. Not all MD who are busy treating patients are. But there *is* at least one paper that he has published, compared to none that could be found for the other 3? I don't know, maybe he does has something new. There is probably an academic study some where that self-promotes how the majority of "new" ideas come purely out of academic studies.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Hammesfahr also claims to have been nominated for the Nobel Prize. Apparently, the nominaiton was by a Congressman (don't know who) and obviously wasn't voted on/ approved by the Nobel committee.
Ok. So, how many of the 5 Dr's got nominations from US Congress-people? Or any sort of Gov'tal award? from any country?
By the by, I think 5 hours of Physical Exam for 5 days straight would bore anyone for hours on end. I think your attention would drift now and then and not necessarily focus on whatever the matter at hand is. If you are asked to track a balloon for 2 hours back and forth continually, I think you would be bored and maybe look out the window and just !$#* look at anything other than the !#%!@# balloon just for spite.
The bastard is clapping his hands again - can someone tell the F!#@ker to stop that crap!
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I actually had a reason to look up Hammesfahr before I knew he was connected to the Schiavo case. I was looking it up because of a parent who was considering treatment for their brain-damaged child. There's only so many times that someone can claim that their method works spectacularly but science hasn't caught up with it "yet" before I start to wonder whether there's any real benefit. Even taking into account that medicine dismisses unconventional theories (ulcer-causing bacteria for example) you would think that if his treatment is SO miraculous, after this many years people would have taken notice.
And, yes, it makes a difference whether the neurologist was "court appointed" or "court approved". I've shopped my kid around to enough neurologists to know that if you look hard enough, you WILL find one who will eventually implement what you want done or agree with what you already believe. Whether or not they can actually deliver is another story. As always, caveat emptor. Hammesfahr was requested by the Schindlers.
And finally- I have heard MY work described by a politician and I got the queasy feeling that he had not a single coherent notion as to what I actually did. Being nominated for the Nobel by a Congressman may be meaningful in the world of politics, but not in science or medicine.
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This is a Florida attorney's blog & it is FANTASTIC. I found it on a search for biased information & it's been very helpful to me. It's VERY thorough.
[url] http://www.abstractappeal.com
I hope it's as helpful to you.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I actually had a reason to look up Hammesfahr before I knew he was connected to the Schiavo case. I was looking it up because of a parent who was considering treatment for their brain-damaged child. There's only so many times that someone can claim that their method works spectacularly but science hasn't caught up with it "yet" before I start to wonder whether there's any real benefit. Even taking into account that medicine dismisses unconventional theories (ulcer-causing bacteria for example) you would think that if his treatment is SO miraculous, after this many years people would have taken notice.
Well, I don't know him and haven't actually read enough about him other than his report, 3 short clippings, and what's in the court documents. Can't say that I am completely free of skeptism about him - I am just pretty much a skeptic about most everything to begin with. Medicine especially is a big hocus-pocus deal we don't know enough about, but keep practicing it on real live people. It takes quite a while before some of these "unconventional" theories get a nod from the guys in the ties and lab coats. Just look at where we are finding and extracting some of our best medicine today. Back to the forest of the indigenous people where "witchcraft" are being practiced and cures being administered. Those herbs sure had a problem selling themselves without the medical juggernaut purifying it and selling it in pill forms.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And, yes, it makes a difference whether the neurologist was "court appointed" or "court approved". I've shopped my kid around to enough neurologists to know that if you look hard enough, you WILL find one who will eventually implement what you want done or agree with what you already believe. Whether or not they can actually deliver is another story. As always, caveat emptor. Hammesfahr was requested by the Schindlers.
I meant that he wasn't some *kook* that just stepped off the curb and started spouting things in front of the camera. I meant that he was on the case. But you had something else in mind and I'm curious. So explain to me the difference specifically (I guess maybe it's in the legal sense?) between "court appointed" and "court approved".
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Originally posted by SignyM:
And finally- I have heard MY work described by a politician and I got the queasy feeling that he had not a single coherent notion as to what I actually did. Being nominated for the Nobel by a Congressman may be meaningful in the world of politics, but not in science or medicine.
Yeah, well one politician - but we can't just arbitraily extend that to every single policitian and certainly not specifically when it comes to nomination awards. While I might not disagree with you that politicians in general are a bunch of unneeded hacks - it comes to reason that these same hacks won't wipe their collective or singular asses without a nod from their cronies. I'd more than willing to bet that if an award or nomination of some sort comes out from a Congress-person's orifice, it certainly wouldn't be generated by that Congress-person's complete free-will and own volition. That said, we do have Congressmen in the capital who aren't just complete hacks, but have other real professions to back themselves with - I believe a handful of them even hold real M.D.'s.
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Our agency (Which is primarily engineering, scientific and techinal) is run by a Board of 13 politicians. As far as politicians go, there are three kinds (1) the career politician for whom it's all about money (2) the ideologues, who couldn't process a new idea if their life depended on it and (3) the extremely rare statesperson, who actually thinks about what is best for their consituency in a fact-driven manner. Judging by our Board's corrupt decisions and listening to their individual comments, I don't think we have ANY of (3) on our Board!
EDited to add: AFA "court appointed" and "court approved"- Court appointed is when a professional is selected by the judge, court approved is when the professional is selected by someone else. I would like to think that it doesn't matter WHO is selected, but also having gone thru various legal matters, it makes a difference which judge, arbitrator, doctor, psychologist, attorney, jury etc. is working on a case.
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I just read on Yahoo! News (via the AP) that Michael Shiavo has asked that an autopsy be performed after Terri passes on. I think this should show once and for all that he had nothing to hide with regards to how bad her condition was. If she wasn't as bad off as he and most of the doctors are saying, then he wouldn't want an autopsy because it would show that she still had some mental capacity.
Right?
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