Wes' guns?

POSTED BY: Noocyte
UPDATED: Saturday, March 26, 2005 22:18
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GROUNDED

Friday, March 25, 2005 11:14 PM

I don't think the Beast-fight scene looked very cool. Wes pulling out the shotgun looked ridiculously corny.

BLEYDDYN

Friday, March 25, 2005 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
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Originally posted by Noocyte:
(Bias check: would your reaction have been different to the latter portion of the above paragraph if I'd said that I was planning to take up archery or fencing?)

People tend not to choose bows or swords based on stopping power ;) And of course I understood you what you were originally trying to say :)

Well, actually... I keep a sword and a cell phone by my bed. The cell phone is new, based on advice I just heard in a hand gun safety class, but I've had a sword near my bed for years

--Bleyddyn

RUXTON

Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:13 AM

NOOCYTE,

Would beg to differ, re your choice of weapons. The purpose of shooting is hitting, not spraying the scenery with multiple misses. One or two good hits from a .45 are better than many misses with anything.

The XD is okay, but just as thick as a 1911 and it has an over-8-pound trigger, which makes it hard to wring out its inherent accuracy, and that much slower to shoot even one shot accurately. I prefer the Kahr design in DAO-type weapons, if one must have same.

My personal choice is Colt's CCO version (Officer's frame with Commander slide) of the 1911, or the full-size, magnificent Valtro version of the 1911. If Wes's guns were in fact Commanders, more power to him. The LW Commander or good clones therof (Kimber Pro Carry II, etc.) are easier to pack than the full-size 1911, and thus more likely to be there. I'll have to dig out my videos of that show to try and verify the model.

Oh, and I'm sure your chances of needing serious self-defense in the future will increase, not diminish. There are too many rats in the cage. Those who doubt this are probably standing in a river in Egypt.

NOOCYTE

Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by Grounded:
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Originally posted by Noocyte:
(Bias check: would your reaction have been different to the latter portion of the above paragraph if I'd said that I was planning to take up archery or fencing?)

People tend not to choose bows or swords based on stopping power ;) ... :)

Actually, I did a bit of (foil) fencing back in college, and I remember being rather taken aback by the frank discussion of point-scoring hit zones being determined by proximity to "vital organs!" The martial origins of the sport are closer to the surface than you might think.

As for archery...well, while I would agree that the pure target-shooting aspect of it has migrated away from its lethal roots, and more into the realm of darts (which I don't mean in even a remotely disparaging way, since I LOVE darts!), there is still a quite thriving community of folks who hunt with bows and arrows.

In both cases, the original purpose of killin' folk is integral to the assessment of skill and of the quality of the implements used (i.e., the balance and handling characteristics of a fencing sword, and the power and accuracy of a bow and arrow), even if their actual use for this has (thankfully) waned. The fact that guns are still an "active duty" weapon, I submit, does not take away one jot from the pleasure of scoring some nice tight groups at the range.

And, as the FINAL layer in a well-constructed security plan (visual deterrents, good locks, alarm system, a noisy pooch, situational awareness, etc.) it could also, in extremis be a life-saver, where a bow and arrow would be too unwieldy, and a sword (with all due respect to Bleyddin) would bring one into uncomfortably close proximity to one's assailant.

Of course, as with a sword, a knife, a bow, or a black belt, the most important "safety" on a firearm is between the users ears!

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STATIC

Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:04 AM

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Originally posted by 0Reaver0:
Guns are problematic

I disagree.

Guns are like any other weapon, tool, or musical instrument.

Well maintained, they perform their function effectively with a minimal risk of malfunction.

Poorly maintained, the risk of malfunction and reduced effectiveness increases greatly.

In the hands of a responsible and well-trained operator, they perform their assigned task efficiently and, again, effectively.

In the hands of someone irresponsible or poorly trained, they create a signifigant risk for the operator and anyone around them.

Bow strings break,
Swords break.
Guns break.

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THATWEIRDGIRL

Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:20 AM

sorry, off topic, but I couldn't resist that sword by the bed comment....

...I'm told my dad keeps an axe under his side of the bed.

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MIKEYMO

Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:07 AM

Also along the sword-by-the-bed strain..

As a child (8-9), I was intensely worried about psychotic maniacs invading our home, and I kept several weapons next to the bed, including a bat and a compund bow.

I just felt like sharing..

"Be ashamed to die before you have scored some victory for humanity." -- Horace Mann

BLEYDDYN

Saturday, March 26, 2005 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by Noocyte:
... a sword (with all due respect to Bleyddin) would bring one into uncomfortably close proximity to one's assailant.

Believe me, I wasn't suggesting that a sword is an ideal home defense weapon. But, it is better than bare hands, in my opinion. Possibly not as good as an axe

, but you work with what you've got.

--Bleyddyn

NOOCYTE

Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by Ruxton:
NOOCYTE,

Would beg to differ, re your choice of weapons. The purpose of shooting is hitting, not spraying the scenery with multiple misses.

Absolutely. This is why I periodically take myself down to the range and practice with rentals. Time well-spent increasing my competence, proficiency and familiarity with a variety of guns, and talking at length with the very genial and informative guys who work and practice there, before I take the step of bringing one into my life (note: I'll be buying the gun safe first. Mechanical {not electronic} combination lock, and stout steel construction).

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One or two good hits from a .45 are better than many misses with anything.

See above about practice, practice, practice. Cheaper ammo for a 9mm means more practice, and thus better accuracy (and more fun, lest it be forgotten that it's my fervent hope that the gun never be used for anything but putting tightly controlled holes in paper targets!)). Less blinding muzzle flash and second-shot-delaying muzzle flip with a 9 versus a .45 means fewer (if any) shots do go astray (should the lamentable eventuality of having to do the Other Thing ever arise).

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The XD is okay, but just as thick as a 1911 and it has an over-8-pound trigger, which makes it hard to wring out its inherent accuracy, and that much slower to shoot even one shot accurately. I prefer the Kahr design in DAO-type weapons, if one must have same.

Actually, I've moved away from the Springfield as a first (and quite probably only) gun, and toward a Glock G19. Simple, robust design, less complexity (and so less susceptibility to entropy). Excellent accuracy and a form factor very well suited to my spindly hands.

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My personal choice is Colt's CCO version (Officer's frame with Commander slide) of the 1911, or the full-size, magnificent Valtro version of the 1911. If Wes's guns were in fact Commanders, more power to him. The LW Commander or good clones therof (Kimber Pro Carry II, etc.) are easier to pack than the full-size 1911, and thus more likely to be there. I'll have to dig out my videos of that show to try and verify the model.

The guns you mentioned are all extremely respectable firearms, and I'd welcome your verification of my neophyte's ID of Wes' guns (remember Wes' guns? This is a thread about Wes' guns!

).

Still, I have a preference for striker-fired over hammer-fired guns. Given their long and venerable history, this is clearly a matter of personal preference on my part, but I lean toward as few external moving parts as possible. Plus, I like the Glock's internal drop safety; the idea of having a gun slip from my hand and go off is a palpable dread for me. Pretty much impossible for a Glock to do this (there is a story about a careless officer dropping his G17 from a helicopter, some 50' onto the tarmac. Not only did it not go off, it was still operable afterward!) ETA: Actually, the gun was dropped about 400 FEET, I just discovered!!

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Oh, and I'm sure your chances of needing serious self-defense in the future will increase, not diminish. There are too many rats in the cage. Those who doubt this are probably standing in a river in Egypt.

Actually, the way I live my life, and the place I will soon be living it (suburban-rural Buck's County, PA...not because I don't love the city and grieve for leaving it, but because it will mean fewer 35-mile commutes to my office!), the chances are going to drop precipitously, from an already quite low level (not denial {nor even de-Nile

}. Just a statement of probabilities).

Still, home invasions do happen, albeit rarely. In that sense, I think of it along the same lines as a fire extinguisher. I have one. I maintain it, and replace it periodically. I've never had to use it, and arrange my habits to decrease the chances that I ever will (see my above comments on a layered home security schema).

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NOOCYTE

Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:15 AM

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Originally posted by Bleyddyn:
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Originally posted by Noocyte:
... a sword (with all due respect to Bleyddin) would bring one into uncomfortably close proximity to one's assailant.

Believe me, I wasn't suggesting that a sword is an ideal home defense weapon. But, it is better than bare hands, in my opinion. Possibly not as good as an axe , but you work with what you've got.

--Bleyddyn

Much as I opt for a big Mag Light and some pepper spray at the present time, I've got to give it up for the sword, if for no other reason than the sheer psychological impact (and here I'm thinking of Bruce Willis in "Pulp Fiction!").

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