"The father will kill the son."

POSTED BY: ShanYu
UPDATED: Monday, March 28, 2005 23:49
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ELLYFISH

Wednesday, March 23, 2005 3:57 PM

I believe 'The father will kill the son' actually refers to Angel being forced to drink connors blood. This was a collaboration between Sahjahn and Lilah(w+h) to ensure that the false prophecy came to pass. If the plan had worked fully then Angel would have got the taste for Connor's blood and perhaps actually killed him...this would have served Sahjahn's purposes perfectly as then there would be no threat of Connor later killing him.

When Wes went to see the Hamburger guy, the wording was quite sneaky to make us believe that Angel would kill (in his words 'devour' if I remember correctly) Connor when really it was more about making Wes believe it so that so he would protect him. This might have been engineered by Jasmine to ensure Connor survived to enable her to be born/survive etc.

I don't think Angel stabbing Connor meant that he was killing him, it was just for the purposes of the spell.

Argh so complicated!! Anyway this is what me and my boyfriend think, maybe we just embellished things to make it more ingenious than it really was!

EMBERS

Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:15 PM

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Originally posted by ShanYu:
the father will kil the son when maybe orignnally it would have said the father will kill the sun in 3 years at the age of...

Actually Conner was 3 (more or less) when he was killed at the end of S4
(to be reborn in his new life)
if we go by his earth age...
he just aged faster in those years because he had been in the hell dimension.
Since the prophecy was based on earth then it would be written for earth time.

AMYEL

Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:32 PM

I think we were supposed to assume that Angel killed Connor. Didn't Tim Minear say so in the commentary? I know after it aired, Tim posted online at his fanboard and he confirmed it.

But they never said it exactly on the show, so I guess it doesn't totally matter whether he actually killed Connor in "Home" or not.

ZEEK

Monday, March 28, 2005 11:00 PM

Did he mean that was were supposed to assume that Angel killed Conner as a shock when he went to stab him or did he mean after the episode finished were we supposed to still assume that Angel killed Conner? Cause there's a big difference between trying to shock the audience with misinformation and actual plot points.

AMYEL

Monday, March 28, 2005 11:49 PM

I don't know why you would assume that it could have been just for shock value, because there was no murder show and tell. Tim just said that the mindwipe was blood magic, not to mention that Connor was about to blow up himself, Cordelia, and an entire sporting goods store full of people. Connor needed to be incapacitated anyways, but the killing was spell related. Though the actual "killing" part was left vague in the actual episode. The main point is that Angel did something very, very drastic because he thought it would ultimately be the best thing for Connor. Tim Minear said that Angel killed Connor, but if you don't want to take it as canon because none of the characters ever said it outright, then that's probably okay too.

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