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Trump desperately needs oil and gas getting thru Hormuz. Iran has unbreakable military and geographic leverage.
So Trump has to reach some kind of agreement with Iran. Iran has a 14-point list they say is the MOU. There are a few flies in the ointment AFA agreement is concerned.
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nobody in the Trump administration referred to these specific points, let alone affirmed that the US has accepted them as part of the mutually agreed framework for negotiations with the Iranians.
But assuming Trump and Iran are looking at the same list, specifically...
Point #1 is cessation of hostilities in Lebanon. It's foolish for Trump to sign an agreement that includes a third party (Israel) that he can't control and guarantee. This could be very much like Trump's Anchorage agreement with Putin, where Trump apparently told Putin he could bring the EU to heel. He couldn't. Israel can bomb (literally) this deal any time it wants.
Point #6 is suspension of sanctions against Iranian oil and petro products, and Irans full access to its financial resources.
Point #7 is reparations to Iran. It's hard to imagine this ever happening.
The other points seem more doable to me. Iran has already said it won't build a nuclear bomb (altho it may be making arrangements for nuclear cover from Russia, China, N Korea, or Pakistan). It would probably agree to NPT and inspections as long as Iran can control who does the inspections, and not some USA- friendly spy.
The USA can probably agree to leaving the Straits under Iranian control, first of all bc they can't do anything about it, and secondly bc Iran would probably only be charging a nominal fee for transit and simply be looking for USA weapons being shipped in. AFA USA maintaining a military presence in the Gulf, most of our bases are destroyed and evacuated anyway, and all we would have to do is ... nothing. Plus, it's super expensive to deploy carrier groups indefinitely.
Getting Irans assets back to them? UAE gives $$ to Iran, and we "take“ Iranian assets and give them to UAE for "reconstruction“. Problem solved.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
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TRUMP CELEBRATES ACHIEVING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN IRAN
To end his war on Iran, Trump was forced to return to the status quo with the Strait of Hormuz open and no nuclear deal in place.
By Nick Turse | June 15 2026, 2:41 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2026/06/15/trump-us-iran-war/
The Trump administration is boasting about pending plans to conclude its war with Iran, having achieved none of the original objectives laid out by President Donald Trump.
With a commitment to a ceasefire and the scheduled signing of a “framework” later this week, Iran is expected to agree to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 30 days. Negotiations over an agreement regarding Iran’s nuclear program are expected to take place in the 60 days following Friday’s signing ceremony.
If the deal is signed on this week, it will mark a return to the status quo antebellum when the Strait of Hormuz was open and no nuclear deal with Iran was in place. Aside from killing top regime leaders, thousands of civilians — including more than 150, most of them children, on a strike on an elementary school — and damaging almost 149,000 civilian infrastructures, the United States has functionally achieved nothing. The same regime is in power and it maintains missile capabilities, still has a navy, and still supports regional proxies.
Trump also teased the prospect of a U.S. protection racket under which Middle Eastern nations would be forced to pay monetary tribute to America if the U.S. and Iran do not finalize a nuclear accord.
On Monday, Iran’s government declared victory and appeared to vow revenge on the U.S. for the war.
“The Deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran is now complete,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Sunday, his 80th birthday. “I hereby fully authorize the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz.” An hour later, Trump offered a caveat, stating the strait would only be opened “upon the signing of the Deal on Friday.”
“This victory was achieved through absolute national cohesion, under the wise guidance of the Supreme National Security Council and all state pillars,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei announced on Monday, claiming that the conflict “cost the aggressors heavily.”
“Moving toward diplomacy does not mean we will ever forgive or forget the crimes against the Iranian nation; the pursuit of justice for our martyrs is permanent,” said Baghaei.
The White House did not reply to a request by The Intercept for comment on Iran’s declaration of victory and apparent vow of revenge for its dead.
The new “deal” is a complete capitulation for Trump who claimed, on March 6: “There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!” No such surrender occurred.
Nor is it the first ceasefire Trump has claimed would result in a reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.
“Iran has now agreed to a ceasefire and reopening the Strait of Hormuz,” the White House announced on April 8, essentially the same agreement publicized on Sunday. That original ceasefire collapsed months ago, but the fiction was observed by the administration and mainstream news media outlets alike, until the new agreement was rolled out.
Pakistan says it will oversee a formal signing of a memorandum of understanding on Friday in Geneva, Switzerland. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif told the National Assembly session in Islamabad “the immediate and permanent cessation of military operations has been announced across all fronts, including Iran, America, and Lebanon.”
Self-styled War Secretary Pete Hegseth claimed on Sunday that the agreement guarantees “Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, won’t seek one, won’t buy one, won’t have one.” Iran previously agreed to those terms when it first ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970, and reaffirmed that agreement on the first page of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, negotiated by former President Barack Obama’s administration. Trump unilaterally withdrew from that pact during his first term.
Trump indicated Hegseth was lying or uniformed in an
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That's not what Trump and his administration say.
I'm going to believe them over the faggots at the Intercept who have been bitching and moaning every day for 3 months and have been wrong about everything they've written in that time frame as well. We all know that no matter what happens, the faggots at the Intercept will find a way to complain about Trump. Because that's their only job.
Fuck you, Second. Fuck Nick Turse and that vibrating dildo he takes with him to work everyday up his asshole, and fuck The Intercept.
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What did he say?
I've given up listening.
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The U.S. Had No Choice but Diplomacy—Yet Again
The new pact between the U.S. and Iran seeks to rewind the clock to the day before the war. ??????
By Nancy A. Youssef, Russell Berman, and Vivian Salama | June 15, 2026, 5:12 PM ET
https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/06/memorandum-under
standing-deal-might-happen/687554/
Declaring that “the deal is all signed” with Iran, as President Trump did today, is like shopping for a wedding dress after a good first date: It’s just too soon.
A deal has an element of finality and permanence. A nuclear deal with Iran, for example, would require specific obligations, concessions, and verification measures, such as inspections, agreed to by all parties. What Iran and the United States are moving toward, with a signing ceremony scheduled for Friday in Geneva, is an agreement that could set the conditions for a potential deal. In the meantime, the war’s shaky cease-fire would be extended for 60 days and commercial shipping would once again transit the Strait of Hormuz unimpeded. (Neither side has released the agreed-upon text, although U.S. officials said today that Trump, Vice President Vance, and the speaker of Iran’s Parliament have already digitally signed on the dotted line.)
If all goes to plan, both sides would then use the breathing room to address more complicated issues, such as how to manage Iran’s nuclear program, just as they were doing before February 28, when Trump went to war. Although the war has weakened Iran’s military, killed members of its leadership, and put pressure on Tehran, the memorandum of understanding is also an acknowledgment that the U.S. cannot solve the problem of Iran with either a war or economic pressure. Despite the thousands of strikes, and the damage done to Iran’s oil-export-driven economy, the U.S. has little choice but to try diplomacy again.
Another mark of how much the U.S. has deviated from its aims at the conflict’s outset is the fate of the Strait of Hormuz. Its centrality to the new memorandum might suggest that Iran’s blockage of the narrow channel was a reason for the U.S. and Israel to go to war in the first place. Not so. The strait was open on the day the war started. Iran closed it, snarling global energy-supply chains, to gain exactly the leverage now being employed at the negotiating table.
By contrast, none of Trump’s initial goals for the conflict has been achieved. The negotiations are designed to address the nuclear program, but it is not clear whether reducing Iran’s missile batteries and its proxy militias will be on the agenda for the 60-day talks, or the additional negotiating increments that will almost certainly follow. “I worry about results, and I worry about getting to a place that is good for the American people,” Vance told us in a brief interview. “Right now, we’re on a pathway to get to a very good place for our country. I want to keep on working towards that end.”
Maybe at the end of that cycle, the U.S. and Iran will have an agreement worth calling a deal.
The results of the war have been muddy enough that hawks on each side want to see a convincing victory and believe that such an outcome might still be within reach.
“The Islamic Republic is not a problem that can be negotiated away,” Mark Dubowitz, the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, wrote on X yesterday. He suggested that the United States should support Iranians in overthrowing the regime, something that Trump signaled he favored at the start of the war but has since abandoned. “The only solution is maximum support for the Iranian people,” Dubowitz continued. “Given the opportunity and assistance they need, they can cripple—and ultimately end—this terrorist regime.”
Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a Trump ally who strongly supported military action, suggested on X that the U.S. is giving up too much too quickly just to secure the strait’s reopening, even though its closure has sent energy prices soaring.
Graham, who rarely criticizes the president directly, said that he
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Trump’s Iran "memorandum of understanding" bamboozle
Joel Eissenberg | June 16, 2026 5:37 am
https://angrybearblog.com/2026/06/trumps-iran-mou-bamboozle
For all his boasting about winning and a deal with Iran, all Trump has is a memorandum of understanding. It apparently includes a 60-day period when Iran won’t collect tolls in the strait, a cessation of attacks by the US and some inchoate future discussion on buried uranium. And the CIA director has cast public doubt on Iran’s willingness to make concessions on nuclear programs. Josh Marshall thinks Administration hawks are undermining Trump’s exit plan.
“If you go to war to achieve a specific end you don’t end the war before negotiating over that specific end. (The US has many declared ends in its war with Iran – proxies, missiles, etc. – but the nuclear program was always the most central.) You come to an agreement when [your] hand is strongest. The whole point of pushing the negotiation over nuclear weapons to after the conflict but making it seem like an agreement is somehow contained within the ceasefire isn’t a matter of really poor negotiating skills. It’s a ruse that both sides – Iran and the Trump White House – are tacitly cooperating on to give Trump an out to walk away from the war without achieving any of his war aims. In other words, this isn’t Iran outwitting him. (Or they’re not outwitting his negotiators at least.) It’s Trump and Iran agreeing to bamboozle the American people (or at least Trump’s supporters) so he can avoid reckoning with the psychic reality of his defeat and the electoral repercussions of taking the country to war with close to no public support and then screwing it up royally on top of that.
“For what it’s worth, there’s still a non-trivial chance this will fall apart. But Trump’s hawks know what they’re doing pushing his failure to the foreground. It may create too much psychic strain, at which point he’ll sabotage the deal.”
At least the bombing in Iran and the gulf has apparently stopped. If a phony MOU is the price for that, it seems a good thing.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Admin Hawks Are Saying the Quiet Part Out Loud … to Axios
By Josh Marshall
06.15.26 | 7:14 pm
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/admin-hawks-saying-the-quiet-part
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A very odd nugget from Barak Ravid of Axios. Here’s the key passage in the lede …
CIA Director John Ratcliffe told President Trump and other senior officials that intelligence gathered by U.S. intelligence agencies raised serious doubts about Iran’s willingness to make the nuclear concessions the U.S. is seeking in any final deal, according to three sources familiar with those discussions.
The way the line reads, you kind of get the idea that Iran isn’t playing straight with the U.S. or won’t follow through on its commitments. But look what it actually says. The CIA doesn’t think Iran’s leaders are willing to make the concessions the U.S. is demanding in a negotiation that hasn’t taken place yet. I think the proper response to this is … well, probably not. That’s why they haven’t agreed to it already in the almost four months they’ve been negotiating with the U.S. If they were willing to do that, they likely would have agreed to it since it could have stopped the war at almost any time and they haven’t.
It’s true that there are cases where a party may be unwilling to agree to a condition under duress (with bombs falling) that it might be willing to not under an active threat. But this is actually something unique to the Trumpist moment, where one side in an administration dispute is going public with the information that puts the lie to the president’s ruse.
If you go to war to achieve a specific end, you don’t end the war before negotiating over that specific end. (The U.S. has many declared ends in its war with Iran — proxies, missiles, etc. — but the nuclear program was always the most central.) You come to an agreement when your hand is strongest. The whole point of pushing the negotiation over nuclear weapons to after the conflict but making it seem like an agreement is somehow contained within the ceasefire isn’t a matter of really poor negotiating skills. It’s a ruse that both sides — Iran and the Trump White House — are tacitly cooperating on to give Trump an out to walk away from the war without achieving any of his war aims. In other words, this isn’t Iran outwitting him. (Or they’re not outwitting his negotiators, at least.) It’s Trump and Iran agreeing to bamboozle the American people (or at least Trump’s supporters) so he can avoid reckoning with the psychic reality of his defeat and the electoral repercussions of taking the country to war with close to no public support and then screwing it up royally on top of that.
For what it’s worth, there’s still a non-trivial chance this will fall apart. But Trump’s hawks know what they’re doing pushing his failure to the foreground. It may create too much psychic strain, at which point he’ll sabotage the deal.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Just eliminate the problem.
No more Muslims on the entire planet is good for everybody. Including them.
Meanwhile, gas by me is $3.12 today. Far cheaper than at any point in Joe Biden*'s four year flop.
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What did he say?
I've given up listening.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
He's just pushing the same old lefty lie that absolutely nothing has changed and that Obama, The Great Savior, already solved this problem well over a decade ago. They love to say that Trump lost. Everything.
And there's ZERO reason to believe anything they have to say regarding any topic under the sun because they don't engage in journalism and aren't even bothering to hide their extreme political bias anymore.
Bottom line is, they're saying the exact opposite of what the Trump Administration says. And Trump is still going to have to fall a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way down before people start believing George Soros funded faggots like Nick over at The Intercept.
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