How much will Bush screw you?

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RUE

Friday, March 18, 2005 4:00 AM

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If by "screw" you mean "boldly lead us into a new age of properity and security both at home and abroad and despite the duel challenge of international terrorism and domestic obstructionism", then you are correct, God willing.

Wow. I don't think I've ever come across anything so deluded from a person who's not on thorazine.

HERO

Friday, March 18, 2005 4:46 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
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If by "screw" you mean "boldly lead us into a new age of properity and security both at home and abroad and despite the duel challenge of international terrorism and domestic obstructionism", then you are correct, God willing.
Wow. I don't think I've ever come across anything so deluded from a person who's not on thorazine.

Look in a mirror.

H

SOUPCATCHER

Friday, March 18, 2005 8:21 AM

I remember reading the NYTimes piece about government created news spots, JaynezTown. There's just so much that is wrong with that practice (from hiring public relations firms with taxpayer money to create "news releases" all the way to the local news stations that run those clips without attribution). This is just an ugly immoral and unethical tactic (and, another example of something Clinton initiated and Bush perfected). And the claim that it's entirely the fault of the news organizations is ludicrous. It's like saying, "It's not my fault that person got killed. I just left the loaded gun out in plain sight and walked away."

A healthy democracy needs a press that is independent of government, not complicit in spreading propaganda. (And don't even get me started on the other use of these created "news segments", to serve as product placement).

RUE

Friday, March 18, 2005 8:27 AM

Hero,

Find a quote from me as over-the-top as yours.

HERO

Friday, March 18, 2005 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Hero,

Find a quote from me as over-the-top as yours.

Ok:

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Wow. I don't think I've ever come across anything so deluded from a person who's not on thorazine.

Your quote isn't as good as mine, I admit, but its probably the best you can do. All I did was state my opinion, that being 'the President is a force for positive change both at home and abroad'. You disagree, but its not a matter of delusion, its a differance of opinion. I respect your opinion as to the President, but take issue with your comment about me.

H

SIGNYM

Friday, March 18, 2005 7:22 PM

Which brings me to the nature of reality....

We all have opinions. But some opinions more accurately reflect reality than others. A opinion that 2+2=5 is simply not borne out in the real world. Unless you want to deny the existance of reality (and that IS a valid philosophical approach) opinions eventually get thrown against the wall of reality to see what sticks. In other words- don't be surprised, offended, or hurt if your opinion is evaluated for the amount of reality it contains. "Just an opinion" is not a protection.

HERO

Saturday, March 19, 2005 1:36 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Which brings me to the nature of reality....

We all have opinions. But some opinions more accurately reflect reality than others. A opinion that 2+2=5 is simply not borne out in the real world. Unless you want to deny the existance of reality (and that IS a valid philosophical approach) opinions eventually get thrown against the wall of reality to see what sticks. In other words- don't be surprised, offended, or hurt if your opinion is evaluated for the amount of reality it contains. "Just an opinion" is not a protection.

The difference of opinion is not whether or not 2 + 2 = 4 (or 5)...nobody is arguing that. What it really comes down to is an argument about the value of "2". But in my experiance, most liberals can't count. To them more is less and less is more. Example, increased education funding that is a "cut" and election results that favor Republicans.

H

RUE

Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:53 AM

"Hero"
In my hospital jobs I've dealt with people on Thorazine, so I know how they talk. And your statement

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If by "screw" you mean "boldly lead us into a new age of properity and security both at home and abroad and despite the duel challenge of international terrorism and domestic obstructionism", then you are correct, God willing.

sounds a lot like what I've heard from those very same people on Thorazine. I wasn't making an unfounded comparison.

Now, you're exact quote (above) is different from

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'the President is a force for positive change both at home and abroad.'

It's possible to be a force for positive change and not actually make positive change. It's possible to make positive change but not necessarily lead the US into

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a new age of properity and security both at home and abroad

Are you already backing away from your over-the-top statements?

SOUPCATCHER

Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:40 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
If by "screw" you mean "boldly lead us into a new age of prosperity and security both at home and abroad and despite the duel challenge of international terrorism and domestic obstructionism", then you are correct, God willing.

H

I was curious, Hero, when I read this statement and it raised a couple of questions. Do you see international terrorism and domestic obstructionism as equivalent threats? Or, in other words, do you equate international terrorists with domestic obstructionists in terms of their goals and potential for harming this country? Or, maybe a better way to go about this, how would you define a domestic obstructionist? Is it just someone who disagrees with the President on policy and is working to implement alternative policies, or is there more?

Why I'm curious is because, for the most part, I disagree with the President on issues of policy. And so I'm wondering if you would lump me in with international terrorists.

HERO

Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:26 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
"Hero"
In my hospital jobs I've dealt with people on Thorazine, so I know how they talk. And your statement...sounds a lot like what I've heard from those very same people on Thorazine. I wasn't making an unfounded comparison.

I deal with people like you every day as well. They practice a legal tradition known simply as "bullshit". There you liberals go again. Anybody who holds an opinion you don't agree with needs to be "medicated". Anybody who says something you don't like needs "treatment". Your approach starts in grade school with the excuse of ADD to create docile children, then you systematically seek to eliminate competitive instincts, later in life depression gives you the excuse to control. Next thing you know we live in a society of sheep, victims just waiting to be led.

By your standard the 52% of American who voted for the President need to be "controlled" by those of you enlightened enough to know what's best for us. Better call the opinion police cause thats one pill I aint gonna swallow.

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It's possible to be a force for positive change and not actually make positive change.

Yeah, its like getting your car stuck in the mud. The President is trying to drive the car out of the mud, thus making him a force for positive change, and the mud (ie the liberal Bush-haters) are trying to prevent the President from getting the car unstuck. Hmmm...thats a good analogy since the mud is not only responsible for creating the problem (being stuck) it also opposes efforts to solve the problem. Thank God our President's a rancher from Texas, I bet he knows a thing or two about digging his truck out of the mud. (I'm a lawyer from Ohio, so I buy an SUV and then, if I still get stuck, sue somebody for the costs of getting me out.)

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Are you already backing away from your over-the-top statements?

Nah, I'm just getting started. You guys are suffering from a lack of vision. Same problem many of you had in 1985. Back then Reagan was heading us down a path towards armageddon by confronting the Soviets. Back then the problem was fear, fear of nuclear war (which is healthy) and fear that ultimately the American system was inferior (which was wrong). Many of those same fears are around today. People fear the conflict of this terror war (and rightly so), but they also either believe or fear that the American system of liberty is the problem (preferring instead the European system that tends to cause World Wars and colonialism, or even the Arabic system of 15th Century values of religious tolerance and social justice...some prefer the Chinease system of State slavery, but those people need Thorazine).

So, is the President building a better world? Yes. But not in the way you think. We, that is red-state Americans are building the better world, same as we've been doing since before the American nation existed. There have always been those who said "no" and "stop", but if we listened to you there'd be a picture of Queen Elizabeth on my computer wallpaper, instead of President Bush taking his 2nd Oath of office.

H

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