Club Confused
POSTED BY: KaySky
UPDATED: Thursday, March 31, 2005 04:54
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Originally posted by zoid:
Remember those pictures of random noise that (supposedly) had 3D pictures of trains or teapots encoded in them? .... Did any of y'all ever see anything in them?
No, I could never see anthing either. I think maybe it's how your brain works,how its wired. Everybody's is different. Ours is the "can't see the hidden 3D pictures" model.
I remember being at the mall and little groups of people would stare at those pictures for several minutes, I kept wondering if it was some kind of brain wash.
Keeper of Jayne's goggles. 8)
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KaySky:
Although your 'Lone Sockman' dilemma may be more humorous than actual (personally, I think there were at least three of them, triangulating sock abduction), there is a real, probable answer, and it's kinda important.
You may be overfilling your washer. As the tub fills up, agitates and spins, articles of clothing can come out of the tub and work their way between the drum and the enclosure.
You can find out if this is true without consulting a pricey repairman. First, disconnect the washer's power cord. (NB: Electrocution is just plain embarrassing, so take an extra moment and simply avoid it.) Next, open up the outer case (enclosure) by typically lifting the upper deck (the whole thing, not just the loading lid). Usually, the deck snaps down pretty positively, so leverage and strength may be a factor; consult your local caveman, and co-opt him using whatever enticements/sanctions you're comfortable with.
Once you get the top open (of the washer, not you; don't distract the caveman by putting the cart before the horse), the front panel of the enclosure should now lift/slide/swing out, allowing access to the front and undersides of the drum. Indubitably, you will find bits of detritus -- and possibly a large sock orphanage or home for wayward boxers -- beneath the drum, and probably laying across wiring or tangled in the motor (I told you it was important).
Disentangle or otherwise remove your itinerant clothing (you did unplug the washer like I told you, right?), and then reverse the process step-by-step to return your washer to service.
Betcha this is an answer to your quandary. Anybody come up with anything on that hatred thing? Tit for tat is fair dinkum, after all...
Respectfully,
zoid
(EDIT): Just saw embers' response, will post separate response.
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embers:
Thank you very much for your thoughtful and apt response. I completely agree that much hatred is probably an evolutionarily generated response to 'otherness'. Maybe that's why movies generally tend to treat sci-fi aliens with fear. Aliens must be enough like us to hate and kill us (i.e., Aliens are xenophobic murderers/predators), and yet so strange that killing them is acceptable for humans.
I also think that silicon-based intelligence (i.e., self-aware computers) will be beneficent, because they never had to go through the evolutionary gauntlet humans have. We won't ever get a Matrix; we'll get symbiotic partners with marvelous powers. But many people will still hate them, even though the SBIs won't understand hatred any more than I do.
And that's my problem, I guess. I didn't have to learn not to hate; I never hated in the first place. Either that, or I'm expecting more of 'hate' than there actually is. Maybe 'hate' itself is a more malleable term for others than it is for me; but, I've witnessed others spouting shockingly heart-felt hatred through the gamut of topics great and small, and that emotion is incomprehensible to me. I reluctantly conclude it must remain so.
I likewise completely agree, Maribeth, that hatred based on religious intolerance is profoundly inane, by any method of logical reasoning. All the great books of belief have fundamental directives to love, tolerate and help others, especially strangers. But, people take those words of spiritual enlightenment, and create religions that utterly subvert the original ideas. It turns into hate, subdue and kill others with different beliefs, because God commanded you to do so.
No, He didn't!
(NB: I don't believe God is sexed; I use 'He' as a convention only.)
I'll leave y'all alone on this love/hate thing. I'm not convinced anyone is really ready to open up fully on the topic (or else they're understandably confused themselves). I wouldn't have even broached the subject on any other forum than FFFn, so much do I esteem you all. And as much as I itch to go further on the topic of religion, I'm going to restrain myself. I urge y'all to do likewise: Religion's another topic, fundamentally about love, that generates rage when you explore it. How can a Love that supernally informs all reality be exclusionary? How can a discussion about it turn inflammatory, even with those who don't believe anything? (NB: Isn't Atheism a 'religion' or belief system itself? Steadfastly believing nothing is a form of belief itself, is it not?)
Color me hopelessly confused, again, as usual...
Finally,
zoid
P.S.
I kinda promised I wouldn't say anything about religion and then did anyway. I'm just venting a little (confusion, not spleen) and intend no offense. Please treat my comments as rhetorical, if you would.
-zed
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Hey Zoid.
While I understand your concern over the legitimacy of hating a person/s, I wonder if your lack of understanding of the emotion isn't just down to simple experience. If you haven't experinced the emotion then maybe in there lies your quandry? Maybe.... I'm only guessing. But many emotions have to be experinced to be understood fully.
I myself don't go around hating people in any way shape or form, as I deem the emotion far too negative - but what I will say is that I have hated particular circumstance I have been in. Some as a course of my own mistakes but often as an occurence of other's stupidity, and while on the surface the idea of hating a predicament may seem futile, often it serves as a keen reminder never to make that mistake again.
Perhaps many who feel hatred towards others are merely using the hatred a means of protection. Maybe not a rational way to achieve this I know - but to some people the end justyfies the means.
In terms of religion and hatred well in here lies a multitude of tangents to explore discuss and debate. There are so many facets to consider, state of mind, belief, education, understanding of a theological ethic, society etc.... The list goes on and I think we'd need to be chatting to each other across a table or over a gathering of friends to even begin to explore this.
I persoanlly think hate is a weak emotion to have but have them we do, as the human character is made up of many conflicting emotions. In short you cannot have love without hate. Hate without love. By mere definition we need one and the other to be realised.
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Okay, I said I would leave the love/hate thing alone, specifically, because I think it may not be entirely appropriate for what I suspect was intended to be a more light-hearted thread.
But, TheSomnambulist has made very good points that I cannot in good conscience rudely ignore. Specifically:
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...If you haven't experinced the emotion then maybe in there lies your quandry?
A distinct possibility; but, I fancy myself an attentive person and I have observed hatred exhibited by others. I am not totally unfamiliar with the phenomenon, and as a person who invariably puts himself 'in the other guys shoes', I have modeled their emotions in my mind, right up until I approach that dark place from which hatred flows, at which point I'm invariably kicked out of the simulation. It just doesn't follow; it's like some fatal feedback loop that my 'software' won't allow.
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...I will say is that I have hated particular circumstance I have been in. Some as a course of my own mistakes but often as an occurence of other's stupidity, and while on the surface the idea of hating a predicament may seem futile, often it serves as a keen reminder never to make that mistake again.
As I said above, maybe my definition of 'hate' is not as broad as others'. To me, hate is personal. It occurs between souls. I won't even allow my son, Austin, to say "I hate brussels sprouts." I don't think you can hate vegetables, rain or situations. And I'm really not talking about some wishy-washy, euphemistic 'correct-speak'. However you feel about asparagus, pot holes and stains on your carpeting, it ain't 'hate'. Neither can one 'love' macaroni and cheese, although I think you can love your dog, by my definition. Pets are definitely not things, in my estimation. (Pets + love = souls?)
But, as I also said in my second (long-winded) post on the subject, I have had relationships with others that resulted in avoidance of them, as you related. There was some fundamental disconnect that was never going to lead to a productive partnership. As I further said, this never resulted in hatred of the person. Invariably, my internal reactions were sadness and a sense of remorse for my failure to make the relationship nominally workable, if not fruitful. And I'm always open to repairing those relationships, should happenstance provide the opportunity.
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...In short you cannot have love without hate. Hate without love. By mere definition we need one and the other to be realised.
I beg your understanding, but I must disagree. I think duality is an overrated construct of the human mind, not an omnipresent feature of Nature. I believe to my very core that it is possible to have love without the corresponding existence of hate, just as I believe that having clean air is not contingent upon the existence of pollution. One might not fully appreciate the blessing of clean air (or love) without the negative example of pollution (or hate), but it does not logically follow that without pollution we could not have clean air. In fact, I would assert as fact (a strong statement for me) that the less pollution (or hate) we have, the more clean air (or love) we will proportionally get. Lack of full appreciation by way of negative example is not an impediment to healthy function, either. Nonexistence of polluted air -- by which we might completely comprehend the blessing of clean air -- does not impair our ability to breathe normally. A broader environment of love likewise need not be fully appreciated through negative reinforcement to prove of increased benefit.
While it's highly improbable that we could ever totally eliminate hatred on Earth -- nor would I support any resolution to so totally homogenize human behavior -- I certainly think we could do with a lot less of it (especially of the casual sort), and needn't worry about any corresponding reduction in loving; quite the contrary.
In conclusion, I'd like to disabuse any and everyone of the notion that I'm applying for sainthood. I'm at
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Zoid,
Can you come help me paint? Or do you just help with decks?
Mal-licious
Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell
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Originally posted by zoid:
...the heart is endlessly capable of love; the only limits are those imposed external to its forge.
too right! We are capable of so much love. I wish more people realized that. Realized that they can love many people...that it's not just family and lovers.
I know you want to be done with this, but I need to say that I feel you Zoid. There are those folks I would prefer not to spend time with, but if they ask me for something, I'll most likely help. That's juts how my folks raised me. They didn't allow me to 'hate brussel sprouts' either -- I like brussel sprouts.
**on to the confusion**
ever notice that when you're planning something it's all you can think about...drives you mad…then you get all the details worked out, thinking you'll be free of it, but no! it still occupies your every moment. Then the thing happens and you can't get it out of your head because it was real. You're forever stuck in a groove...a happy groove hopefully.
www.thatweirdgirl.com
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Can we not revel in our cyber-love?
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To help bring the silliness back
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Originally posted by zoid:
Well, I never saw anything except dots and blobs, no matter what I tried, and I gave up on the effort altogether after about 20 minutes of fruitless visual contortions. I'm convinced the whole thing was a cruel hoax and that anyone who said they could see the kittens or kites (oohing and ahhing all the while) was only afraid of being labeled a boob for not seeing them. Kind of like the Emperor's clothing that only the truly enlightened could see.
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YES!!!
I always felt like an idiot because I could never see anything in those stupid pictures, and I tried. I strongly identified with the guy in Mallrats who had been staring at the picture for a good hour, then had a little kid walk up, glance at the picture and say, "It's a schooner."
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Mmmm-a-lishus queried:
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Can you come help me paint? Or do you just help with decks?
I'm there. *Changes into painting clothes, leaves note for wife and kids, and hops into car.* I should be arriving in Delaware within the week, if I don't run out of gas money somewhere around Tennessee and have to hop a railcar back to Flatland.
Working on constructive projects with others is a great way to establish a loving relationship with them. What color are we painting? Hopefully, it's not intended to match your hair, or we'll be doing it all over again in 6 weeks...
Colorfully,
zoid
P.S.
TiPpY, KaySky, embers and Somno: Thank you for helping me. Treat yourselves with as much care as I would.
MG and all my visually challenged fellows: Well, Leto_V says he sees the hidden pictures, so I guess that means we are all just defective in some mechanical way; but at least I consider myself in good company. I guess it's not just a hoax after all, hmmm?
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Hey Zoid
Thanks for the reply - I'd love to ferret through all that you said a little more because I for the most part agree with you and fully go along with your, and 'weirdgirls', sentiment about more/greater love. However I must dash home now so forgive me if this is brief and a little sketchy.
However just quickly if I may.
By not letting your son say that he hates Brussels sprouts, does not mean the emotion of hate isn't within him, as regards the sprouts. That emotion still may exsist no matter how much you may encourage him not to express so.
I think this is my take on it. I truly wish many negative emotions to be removed myself but merely wishing it not so is not a criteria to deem it gone. Or even redundant. Clearly hate is there. You are aware of it, your son is aware of it and so forth and by making it a point of something not to be said the element now evolves and perhaps takes on a greater meaning and significance.
In terms of the pollution anology - well again you are able to understand the concept of cleaner air by the very act of comparing it with polluted air. Were we not to have pollution the appreciation of clean air wouldn't come to mind with quite the same significance. Granted the air would be clean irrespective of our appreciation of it. (At least it would were no Volcanoes to erupt.... For as natural as they are they spew out fowl air)
However I'm not lobbying for pollution nor hate merely backing up an argumentative construct.
However I think I am in the most part right on your side as regards the overused expression/emotion of hate by the majority. How often have you heard someone say they hate an actor/singer/celebrity when in reality they don't actually know that person to make such a claim. Furthermore how sad is it that someone can hate an individual through the medium of TV.
I do think though my angle on it is that although I don't favour the emotion it's better to realise it does exsist and to make sense of it as it stands. I'm not in favour of hiding it, shushing it, or pretending it does not exsist; as someday I'm quite sure I'll probably be on the receiving end of it's severity.
(Ok sorry if I've skimmed over things - but I must go now. No apologies necessary as to the direction the thread has gone. I enjoy sharing opinions with others.)
The
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