Star Trek as a Firefly replacement.

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PHILYBURKHILL

Monday, February 27, 2006 1:33 PM

I like DS9 but I really don't like Voyager or Enterprise (though i've had Ent on TV sometimes, and it seems to have improved a lot in it's fourth season). Voyager just sucks, TNG is pretty good though.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by ChrisPV:
Well, they are two very different universes. Joss himself said our BDHs are the kind of people the Enterprise would fly right by without noticing. I enjoy both, but everybody on Star Trek is just so darn nice to each other. Everybody loves everybody else. It's a nice ideal, but it doesn't speak to the human condition the way Firefly does.

Firefly is who we are, Star Trek is who we wish we were.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

There, right there, that explains the differences of the Verse's perfectly.

Plus, without something to fight for humans get bored.... and though the vision of Roddenberry's is ideal, I have a hard time seeing humans trying to achieve it. We're much too aggresive, and we's likes a fight.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

Edited to add I guesse I'm one of the rare people who loved Voyager, taped every episode, and really the stories weren't all that bad. Hell, they really had a lot of gritty episodes and I always saw Jayneway as Kirk in a skirt. Compare, Jayneway is someone who won't talk their enemy to death *coughPicardcough*. She gives whoever she's facing a chance to talk things out, but the minute she realizes they aren't going to negotiate she goes right for the guns, and if you didn't think The Year of Hell wasn't good, then you should go back and re-watch it. And in all the TNG episodes I never saw Riker fight Picard over a decision, but on Voyager there's plenty of conflict between Jayneway and Chakotay.

Yes I agree it jumped the shark in the last episodes (I will not think of the mess between Chakotay and ti.. I mean 7 of 9) But overall there was more character in the crew than there was in TNG. Things weren't as neatly packaged for them. Just felt the need to defend.

Next to Voyager, Firefly is my newest love. And of all the Captains, I can see Voyager interacting with the crew of Serenity, after all, many of the crew on Voyager are made up of criminals and mavericks.

Think about it.

Oh btw, Jayneway will shoot first if she has to.

ALGUS

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:56 AM

I'm the guy that's got every Voyager paperback ever. Ok, so there were only about 25 of them compared to TOS which has over 100, same for TNG I do believe, I lost track when they stopped numbering them, but I love my Trek.

Still, Trek's got nothing on Firefly and BSG. I was taping DS9 off of Spike because Im too cheap to shell out $100 for the season sets (though I do believe some of them are finally coming down in price, win!) and while I love that show I couldn't help but notice some of the awful acting in it, especially from Nana Visitor.

Still DS9 had some SPECTACULAR episodes, such as the one where Sisko has that weird thing going on where he's living the life of a black author prior to the Civil Rights movement. And the cast did improve as time went by, sufficiently so that by the end I was sad to see it go. At its best, DS9 came close to touching the things that make shows like Firefly and BSG great. Still, while I still consider Trek great entertainment, it isnt as consistently good, from ten movies and however many episodes, (500ish? I dont know) I'd say there's only about 20-30 hours of real SOLID excellent storytelling. The rest of it ranges from mediocre to god awful.

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KIZYR

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:04 PM

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Originally posted by Algus:
Still DS9 had some SPECTACULAR episodes, such as the one where Sisko has that weird thing going on where he's living the life of a black author prior to the Civil Rights movement. And the cast did improve as time went by, sufficiently so that by the end I was sad to see it go. At its best, DS9 came close to touching the things that make shows like Firefly and BSG great. Still, while I still consider Trek great entertainment, it isnt as consistently good, from ten movies and however many episodes, (500ish? I dont know) I'd say there's only about 20-30 hours of real SOLID excellent storytelling. The rest of it ranges from mediocre to god awful.

I find myself agreeing with that... Though, some of that solid, excellent storytelling was concentrated in some areas. For DS9, a lot of the last couple seasons had some solid storyline backing it; then again, DS9 I found very groundbreaking in a lot of ways. Mostly, it broke down the whole notion that we were living in some utopian world: you had the Bajorans emerging from oppression under a foreign power, the Cardassians allying with the Federation and then turning tail to ally with the Dominion, dissent within Cardassia at their allegiance, problems among the Federation with trying to keep Bajor in support, and not to mention the character interactions on ship / station. KF

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CEDRIC

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:12 PM

I still enjoy Trek, but it ain't no Firefly.

You should check out the book _Finding Serenity_. There's a great section in there about how Trek shaped our notion of sci-fi, and how that hurt Firefly. Then there's an even better essay on what would happen if the crews of the Enterprise and Serenity suddenly traded places. It's damn funny.

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BWARE42

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by Ragua:
I still wish that Enterprise had been run by someone as talented, creative, and passionate as Joss. It had so much potential, but Berman and Braga pissed it away with their damned cookie-cutter, formulaic crap.

Amen to that! My biggest gripe was bringing in new aliens we'd never heard of on any of the other series, plus that whole temporal cold war crap!

They should have stayed the course with the development of the federation, the conflict with the Klingons, and the Vulcan/Andorian friction...They tried to go back to the cooler stuff at the end with the mirror verse and the "future" starship, but it was too late...Oh well, another show I liked that was not given its due.

Time for some thrilling heroics.

CYBERSNARK

Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:00 PM

Huh. I guess I really am the only one who disliked the final season of Enterprise. It just started getting too fannish, too "hey, look at us working in clever references to the Original Series Gospel!"

The first three seasons were creative and bold, but apparently people don't want that.

I just hope that, when Star Trek comes out of its hibernation, we get a Xindi crew member in the next series. Preferebly a Reptillian or an Insectoid.

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Originally posted by Algus:
I'm the guy that's got every Voyager paperback ever.

Not the only one.

Between TNG, DS9, Voyager, New Frontiers, SCE, Strange New Worlds, Titan, and the occasional non-series digressions they put out, I've probably got over a hundred Star Trek books around this house (including comics).

Course, my Star Wars collection is equally vast.

I need to buy a library.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, February 28, 2026 5:01 AM

Star Trek at its peak might be deeper than Firely

but Firefly got fun as Trek decays

then among all these Hollyweird culture debates and scandals Joss himself jumps the shark?

The Entire History of How Hollywood Destroyed Star Trek

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 28, 2026 6:44 AM

Yup. Trek is just yet another of a long line of pop culture deaths carried out by the DEI infested, woke Liberal trash.

Watch as Marvel fails too. There will be no comeback. They've ruined everything.

You're going to have to give all these franchises 20 or 30 years before trying to bring them back from the dead at this point, with no new attempts in between.

Whoever finally does it when the time is right is going to have to come out and say that anything that happened from the late 2000's up until 2026 is all washed away and not considered canon too.

You get what you deserve.

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