New kind of democracy in Venezuela: Michael Albert
POSTED BY: Howard
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 30, 2025 16:22
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Gee
Howard is an ass. I was just trying to be understanding. I was quite litteral about where I thought he might be coming from. Little things like that he didn't understand the concept of wrap-around text and felt it necessary to his the return key ever eight words made me think he might not be all there. I guess we failed to worship Chavez enough for him. I think the rest of that doesn't actually merit a response. I'm done actually trying to talk to him, it wasn't worth the effort.
Let's get back to China,
I did some googling on China Chavez, which turns up a lot as I said, and here's what I found:
Chavez threatens to share US military tech with China if US doesn't continue to supply him with arms. This seems to me to be an unreasonable request. There was also some talk about Chinese weapons in venezuela. Shades of Cuban missle crisis. This one is a little scary.
Next. Chavez has given free oil rights to China. WTF?
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-30-04.asp
The US had to invade Iraq to get oil rights. China gets them for free? We're playing the wrong game. Clearly we should have been monkeying in Venezuelan politics. This stikes me as one of the most corrupt deals in world history, and I know that says a lot. It's similar but more blatant to what goes on in Russia. I hope everyone remembers Yukos and Lukoil and Russneft.
Well so far we have the possibility of chinese weapons in Venezuela, Venezuela giving its oil to China for free.
Curiously, this is covered more solidly in the international press because of the other things it uncovers, so here's more or less a summary of what I gleamed, and if you want to refs, it's all in the top dozen or so google matches for "chavez china"
1. Chevron had a sweetheart deal before Chavez for $3/barrell. Condi was a Chevron exec. Condi pressed for Chavez' removal.
2. Citigroup (read Saudigroup) has been pressing for control of these assets. If we believe Michael Moore, which I do some of the time, Saudigroup is basically responsible for W. Bush being the GOP's presidential candidate. Ironic given what happened in september of 2001, but not by itself a conspiracy.
3. China has gotten free access to Venezuelan oil, a reserve which experts predict once fully explored will become the world's largest oil reserve, displacing Saudi Arabia and moving Iraq into third place.
4. Cuba also has free access to that oil.
5. It looks quite possible that we may see a build up of chinese firepower, but not manpower, swelling up uncomfortably closer to our borders to secure this oil.
6. Venezuela elections seem to be completely flawed.
So the best solution I can think of is to start participating in Venezeulan elections. Why? When these are basically rigged? Because doing so will force international attention on their legitamacy. In fact, it might not be a bad idea to underhandedly support an opposition stooge candidate, and push him to cheat. Never allow a connection to be drawn back to us, but a total fraud opposition candidate would cause international observers to go in. They would be defending Chavez, but their presence would make it harder for Chavez to cheat, and then in the subsequent election it might be possible to defeat him. If we fail to become thus engaged, Chavez will take his successful election cheating and use it as a stepping stone towards a flatout dictatorship in which the election is really just a formality, but the winner is always decided before the ballots are cast.
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