Pre-emptive military strike to Iran, goin' out with a bang, baby!
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, August 13, 2026 00:50
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What about the concept that the USA is playing "last man standing"? i.e. If Iraq and Iran are taken out of the picture as sources of oil, then Russia will have to step in to fill in the gap? Then when the Russian oil runs out, we will be the last man standing? Except... no, because if we were REALLY looking at being the last source of oil (or the economy that would best tolerate an oil disruption) then we wouldn't be conserving our own oil?
If this was to raise oil prices, then Russia and Venezuela- as well as the oil companies- would profit.
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Free as in freedom, not beer.
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Zisker,
I hope you're right.
Hero,
You're very wrong. Iran has no nukes and won't for ten years.
Sygnym,
He's going to give this present to us direct before leaving office so that his beloved Hillary can inherit the war so that the democrats will blame Bush for it rather than her, just as they did with her husband's genocidal campaign in Iraq. Then she'll kill a million people, it's really not that funny.
Everyone,
The largest Mini-Nuke is twelve times as powerful as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Just saying.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
You know, by Bush's logic with all the bluster and threats the US is making and going by the logic and actions already committed...Wouldn't Iran be justified in putting a nuke in a freighter and setting it off in a US port city in a litte " Pre-emption " on their own ?
Nope. Iran is violating international law by refusing to allow inspections of its nuclear program and that's what all the "bluster and threats" are all about. Every member of the United Nations --- including the US --- is subject to such inspections, expressly to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons. By refusing to allow inspections, Iran appears to be hiding an illegal nuclear weapons program.
Also: the UN inspections of Iraq in the post-war period have determined that the Hussein regime was in fact in violation of WMD-related prohibitions of the UN Resolutions. Not the same violations Bush THOUGHT they were committing, but violations nonetheless, each one of which was cause for re-invasion under the "last chance" terminology of Resolution 1441.
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Let's see, the reason for invading Grenada was because of the presence of Cuban troops. Not that the US medical students studying there ever noticed....
Nonetheless, the Cubans were indeed building an airstrip on Grenada, had indeed overthrown the island's government, and had indeed emplaced over 1,000 troops and military engineers on the island to complete the airfield and subsequent annexation. Whether the students noticed or not is irrelevant.
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Panama. Ah, yes. Unbeknownst to us, Noriega was a major drug runner. MAJOR. In fact, all by his lonesome he was destabilizng the USA! So we invaded Panama (not Colombia) and the drug traffic didn't slow a whit.
Besides overstating your case (yes, he was a drug runner, no the US never claimed he was singlehandedly destabilizing the US), three other reasons were given for toppling Noriega. First, the idiot declared war on the US, saying a de facto state of war existed because of US sanctions which had been put in place as part of the "war on drugs". Secondly, Noriega was already on notice because he'd personally nullified elections earlier that year which replaced him and his cronies with opposition party leaders. Finally, Noriega threatened to seize the Panama Canal, which under the Carter treaties was supposed to be a neutral waterway open to all nations.
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Afghanistan. I think Rue covered that very well. Meanwheil the orginal pretext for invasion- OBL- is alive and living in Pakistan.
Incorrect. There is a lot of support for ObL in Pakistan, but all sources indicate he continues to move from hideout to hideout along the Afghan-Paki border, staying on the Afghan side. Hell, it took the US five years to find a man wanted in connection with the Oklahoma City Bombing, and he was ultimately caught within 20 miles of his known address. Quick and easy manhunts are rare things bordering on mythology.
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Iraq. Pictures of mushroom-clouds danced in our heads- thanks to Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Bush.
And thanks to the invasion, we now know that Iraq was indeed hiding nuclear weapons parts, plans and material to resurrect a nuclear program once the UN sanctions were off. Meanwhile, Iraq DID have an active bioweapons program producing agents tailored for assassination right up to the start of the war. And Iraq is already on record as having attempted to assassinate at least one prominent US political figure.
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Iran. Well, they MIGHT have nuclear weapons some day!
And they've signed a treaty saying they won't develop 'em, either. International law says that if they WANT to, they have to be inspected and approved by the United Nations. But God forbid we have some applicable legal standards on this planet...-:D
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Meanwhile, North Korea has the nukes and the ICBMs to go with them, and we 're doing.... what???
Er, no, they DON'T have either the nukes OR the ICBMs. CHINA does. And China's been a major nuclear developer since the '50s; they haven't got any treaties on the subject to break. So they're legit.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
You really think somehow people will start to like the US after all this
Oh, of course not...when people are seriously, horribly, awfully wrong about something, they're usually so embarassed that they can never bring themselves to admit it, especially not in public. Even fifty years from now, with the US receiving not a drop of oil from Iraq or Afghanistan. Seen any tankers moving between Iraq and the US or any US oil terminal lately? No one else has, either.
At current, the US has received no oil from Iraq, which nonetheless is producing at roughly 50% of its pre-war capacity. The oil thus produced is going to Iraq's original clientele: Europe and Japan. Spain got the first tankerful when it set sail a couple years ago.
At current, no US oil companies hold any assets in Iraq. No docking facilities, no pumping terminals, no pipelines, and no oilfields, even though these have mostly been secured against attacks from the insurrection at this point. Nor do there appear to be any arrangements for doing anything other than leaving Iraq's oil in the hands of the Iraqi government.
And if we DID seize the Iraqi oil, we'd be completely unable to do anything but store it. The US was already lacking in refinery capacity and few people are willing to allow new ones to be built in their backyard. Hurricane Katrina wiped out 30% of US refining capacity. Gas prices are now skyrocketing because of that, while at the same time we actually have a glut of oil (even our national reserves are almost entirely topped off...we have to start building new storage tanks if we want to keep any more).
No, we did not invade Iraq for the oil. We didn't need it, not even before Katrina, and grabbing more of it would only make the price go DOWN, not up.
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Remember when the War on Terror was only about chasing down bin Laden and people insisted he was in Afghanistan...
they didn't know he ran to Pakistan?
Then as Bush got bored trying to find him anotehr distraction
Long ago Iraq and WMDs were the enemy
Then for a while as the Turks went more islamic with the idiot Erdogan, it was Turkey as the new Iran
On 17 August 2008, Iran proceeded with the second test launch of a two-stage Safir SLV from a site south of Semnan city in Iran said the first time, we successfully launched a dummy satellite into orbit". On February 1, 2021, Iran said it successfully tested its latest satellite launch vehicle named "Zuljanah" which is capable of carrying satellites weighing up to 220 kg into a 500 km orbit.
Now its once again Iran as the new Iran?
Biden’s Iran envoy says US must prepare for Tehran to have unconstrained nuclear programme
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/robert-m
alley-iran-nuclear-programme-b1938581.html
The U.S. has no plan B on Iranian nukes. Israel does.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/10/20/commentary/world-comme
ntary/israel-iranian-nukes-plan/
Anti-missile defences tested to protect 'sensitive' sites: Iran
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-missile-defences-tested-protect-1415562
91.html
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The US-Israel shadow war on Iran continues with the threat of snapback sanctions
https://www.stopwar.org.uk/article/us-israel-war-on-iran-and-the-signi
ficance-of-snapback-sanctions/
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Report says world's biggest arms producers increased revenue by 5.9% last year to record level
https://apnews.com/article/global-arms-sales-2024-sipri-ukraine-gaza-3
bd387ecc7523004140d2fcaa681ae0e
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Trump warns he is considering limited strikes as Iranian diplomat says proposed deal is imminent
https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/trump-warns-he-is-consider
ing-limited-strikes-as-iranian-diplomat-says-proposed-deal-is-imminent/article70659037.ece
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so the Jewish Israeli state it the Muslim Iranians first?
The United States is participating in the Israeli strikes against Iran, AP sources say
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/world/article/witnesses-say-they-hear
-an-explosion-in-iran-s-21946867.php
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