One nation, over a cliff...
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 09:20
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Signym - I’m with you 100%. If someone has a more effective way, then I’m all ears. But if that “more effective way” means appeasing dictators or handing over our sovereignty to the UN, then I think it will shoot us in the foot.
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Okay, Hero, that's the second time you've accused me of being anti-democracy. If that were true, I wouldn't have bothered voting at all. I was lucky enough to have done so with a paper ballot which I'm reasonably sure was counted. Even if that were in question, my ballot could have been checked and verified. This is a luxury those who voted by black box didn't have. The fact that those machines were designed by someone who is on record as having promised to deliver Ohio for Bush is part of why me and many other Americans are suspicious of the election's outcome. Democracy depends on access to voting rights and accuracy of vote counting. The way it stands now, we can be sure of neither.
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I guess I'm on break now.
Inevitable- The reason why I didn't respond to the topic of voter fraud is because it's off topic... or at least off the topic that I introduced. I have no interest in discussing it IN THIS THREAD because I think it just provides you with a reason not to discuss the issues I brought up. Feel free to start another thread or revive an old one.
Finn- I have all kinds of ways to make us stonger and more prosperous as a nation, and it has nothing to do with submitting to "one world government" or ignoring despots and tyrants. The only problem is, it touches corporate power, which seems to be a sacred cow. It requires that you actually break the mental link that equates corporate interest with national interest. But trust me, the corporations are never so happy as when they sell us and our government down the river, since it mkes them so much $$$$$.
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Originally posted by oddness2her:
"...the U.S. chose him (Bush)..."
You mean the whopping 52% that he had to cheat to get?
That's right. He had to cheat.
Never mind the fact that virtually all the voter fraud stories are of Dems cheating, from offers of crack cocain to massive phony voter registration scams. You folks are hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Ah, the “big business” is the bad guy theory. So your idea is to maybe centralize control of corporate power in the government? The last time it was tried it did produce a very strong nation. However, I’m less inclined towards that direction then one might think, so to my previous caveats, let me also add that your theory must retain at least as much liberty, and Jews, as currently exists in the US.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn- I have all kinds of ways to make us stonger and more prosperous as a nation, and it has nothing to do with submitting to "one world government" or ignoring despots and tyrants. The only problem is, it touches corporate power, which seems to be a sacred cow. It requires that you actually break the mental link that equates corporate interest with national interest. But trust me, the corporations are never so happy as when they sell us and our government down the river, since it mkes them so much $$$$$.
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Finn- Actually, there are a lot of non-lethal ways to improve our effectiveness. Why do you always jump to extreme/irrelevant examples?
For example, what would be so horrible about requiring better automotive fleet efficiency? We'd reduce oil demand, and be in a better bargaining position vis a vis oil suppliers.
Then, there is the Federal deficit brought about by the tax cut. As ideologically attractive as that tax cut was, it was fiscally irresponsible.
Furthermore, judicious modification to our incorporation, trade, and tax laws would place all businesses on a more even playing field and ensure that they pay at least a minimum tax, which is a fair price for the protection that they receive from our Armed Forces overseas.
And speaking of Armed Forces- why are we still blowing billions on a Star Wars-type "nuclear shield"? The damn thing hasn't worked on 19 out of 20 tries, and has already been thwarted by the development of a guided "ballistic missile".
At this point, I really don't feel like debating stupid points with you, either, since you are so ideologically stuck that your "world view" is pretty much limited to the world in your head. I'm sure it's much simpler in there.
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For those that are interested in discussing REAL WORLD events, I'll pass along this email that I got fomr someone who is monitoring curency much more closely that I am. I thought it was particularly well-put, so here it is:
"Thanks for the info but I already heard it on the BBC. Like I said about a week ago the slide has started. The only thing that is preventing a full blown run on the US bank is that they are all afraid of being the last one through the door. Everyone in the world knows that the US cannot possible pay off its debt. So all the countries that hold US currency are worried that if any one of them tries to draw down their accounts it will mean that every one else will jump as well at which point no one will get paid. I think they are surreptitiously pulling small amounts at a time hoping no one will notice. Already over a hundred foreign banks are no longer buying dollars for their reserves. Rather they are purchasing Euros. I would not be surprised if some of them are not resorting to precious metals. The crash is coming but no one wants to be the one to start it. I think they are just trying to warn the US so it will do something about its house of cards. Good luck. I think the Bush administration has no intention of paying. I really think he thinks he can just bully the whole world into going along with what ever he wants to do. I think he could care less about how low the dollar will go since that will make it possible to pay off the debt in worthless currency. Of course that will also mean that the US standard of living will fall like a rock. Can you say hyper inflation, Mr. Rogers? Sure you can. But what do you expect from a guy who ran every business that his daddy bought him into the ground?"
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AURaptor wrote:
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That's right. He had to cheat. Never mind the fact that virtually all the voter fraud stories are of Dems cheating, from offers of crack cocain to massive phony voter registration scams.
You folks are hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.
I guess I'm "hilarious" too, AURaptor - seems we were getting our news from different sources. From what I've seen and read (a few months back now) things were pretty well even in the "let's disenfranchise voters" contest. @#&^%$ Democrats and ^#$%#$@ Republicans (choose your own expletives) tried to circumvent the system, for what I am sure were the best of intentions {sarcasm} to make sure their good/bad guys won/lost their seats. One more reason I love my country, but am not so fond of some the %$#^$&%*s running it.
I will continue to oppose most of our president's policies because I really do think they are bad for the country, the world and for Americans as a people, not as a knee-jerk response because I'm bitter over the election.
OK, I left myself rather open there - unfortunately, I expect mostly cheap shots in return.
MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."
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Originally posted by DarkJester:
AURaptor wrote:Quote:
That's right. He had to cheat. Never mind the fact that virtually all the voter fraud stories are of Dems cheating, from offers of crack cocain to massive phony voter registration scams.
You folks are hilarious. Sad, but hilarious.
I guess I'm "hilarious" too, AURaptor - seems we were getting our news from different sources. From what I've seen and read (a few months back now) things were pretty well even in the "let's disenfranchise voters" contest. @#&^%$ Democrats and ^#$%#$@ Republicans (choose your own expletives) tried to circumvent the system, for what I am sure were the best of intentions {sarcasm} to make sure their good/bad guys won/lost their seats. One more reason I love my country, but am not so fond of some the %$#^$&%*s running it.
I will continue to oppose most of our president's policies because I really do think they are bad for the country, the world and for Americans as a people, not as a knee-jerk response because I'm bitter over the election.
OK, I left myself rather open there - unfortunately, I expect mostly cheap shots in return.
MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."
There is some agreement from me in what you post. Not much, but some. No cheap shots here.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I find such columns and post as these little more than sour grapes by folks who just can't accept that they lost at the ballot box
and this is why its so sad, because this is all you can see you really think its about Sour grapes for the Democrates losing!!
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Double post.
Yeah. This never happened.
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