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Thursday, September 4, 2025 2:07 AM

Whether blocking the wind farm was a good move or a stupid move depends very much on whether the project was over budget. Completing something just bc something is 80% done is the "sunk cost" fallacy i.e. "We've spent so much already we have to make it worthwhile."

It could be like Biden's EV program: billions spent, few charging stations constructed.

Sometimes ya just gotta pull the plug. So to speak.

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But yanno, SIX, some projects are worthwhile. For the first time EVER, we haven't had a "save your power" flexalert, and no threatened or actual outages. Yay!
I personally think that's due to so many rooftop panels and parking lot solar canopies installed lately, producing electricity in the relentless sunshine. Two of my neighbors just installed solar panels and they're happy, happy, happy with the results! Even my fair city installed solar canopies lately on all of their school and city center parking lots.

Maybe the wind farm would make sense too.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

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Thursday, September 4, 2025 5:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Whether blocking the wind farm was a good move or a stupid move depends very much on whether the project was over budget. Completing something just bc something is 80% done is the "sunk cost" fallacy i.e. "We've spent so much already we have to make it worthwhile."

It could be like Biden's EV program: billions spent, few charging stations constructed.

Sometimes ya just gotta pull the plug. So to speak.

*****

But yanno, SIX, some projects are worthwhile. For the first time EVER, we haven't had a "save your power" flexalert, and no threatened or actual outages. Yay!
I personally think that's due to so many rooftop panels and parking lot solar canopies installed lately, producing electricity in the relentless sunshine. Two of my neighbors just installed solar panels and they're happy, happy, happy with the results! Even my fair city installed solar canopies lately on all of their school and city center parking lots.

Maybe the wind farm would make sense too.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger






Nuclear is the ONLY real answer. Everything else is just bullshit toys.

Eventually enough people will grow up and realize this fact and start doing it again.


Nuclear power is the ONLY CLEAN SOURCE of energy that Humans have ever developed, and they lied to us about it until now.

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In 1969, the U.S. was flipping the switch on three new nuclear reactors a year—fast, efficient, and powering millions of homes. Then, almost overnight, the industry collapsed, not because of accidents like Three Mile Island, but because of a single rule that changed everything. This video uncovers the little-known story of how fear, regulation, and economics killed America’s nuclear momentum. And why small modular reactors might finally bring it back.

*Chapters:*
00:00 We Suddenly Stopped
01:05 The Radiation Scare
02:45 Your Daily Radiation
04:25 The Actual Result of the Meltdowns
05:54 Linear No-Threshold
07:47 Nuclear Plant Economics
11:09 The Energy Tradeoff
15:55 Small Modular Reactors



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Thursday, September 4, 2025 11:09 AM

Your insistence on The One Big Solution ( nuclear or nothing,) or the One Sweeping Opinion, (nobody died of Covid) is flawed, all- or- nothing thinking. It appeals to your, er ... colorful... personality but it's not how the world usually works.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

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Thursday, September 4, 2025 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Whether blocking the wind farm was a good move or a stupid move depends very much on whether the project was over budget. Completing something just bc something is 80% done is the "sunk cost" fallacy i.e. "We've spent so much already we have to make it worthwhile."

It could be like Biden's EV program: billions spent, few charging stations constructed.

Sometimes ya just gotta pull the plug. So to speak.

*****

But yanno, SIX, some projects are worthwhile. For the first time EVER, we haven't had a "save your power" flexalert, and no threatened or actual outages. Yay!
I personally think that's due to so many rooftop panels and parking lot solar canopies installed lately, producing electricity in the relentless sunshine. Two of my neighbors just installed solar panels and they're happy, happy, happy with the results! Even my fair city installed solar canopies lately on all of their school and city center parking lots.

Maybe the wind farm would make sense too.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

I'm copying the whole article that Signym is commenting on. Signym, the 80% completed Revolution Wind project was NOT cancelled by an owner rethinking an investment. Trump cancelled it arbitrarily because of his personal whimsy. And about Biden's Charging infrastructure: there is a huge difference between Congress allocating a single huge lump of money and the Executive branch spending that money much later, after thousands of teeny-tiny contracts are signed with different construction companies. $billions were allocated but only $millions were spent before Trump cancelled it.
Total funding: A total of $7.5 billion from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law was allocated to expand the national charging network. This includes $5 billion for the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) formula program and $2.5 billion for discretionary grants.
Grants awarded: By early 2025, hundreds of millions in grants were announced for dozens of charging projects across multiple states and tribal lands.

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Blocking clean energy is costly

https://eedition.houstonchronicle.com/infinity/article_popover_share.a
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Imagine if President Barack Obama had pulled the permits for a multibillion-dollar deepwater oil rig after construction was 80% complete, at a time when gasoline prices were rising. The American people would be justifiably outraged.

President Donald Trump did essentially the same thing last week when his administration issued a stop-work order on the Revolution Wind project off Rhode Island. Blocking the $6.2 billion project has put 1,000 people out of work and will reduce the reliability of electricity to 15 million people.

U.S. demand for power is indisputably growing for the first time in a decade. Tech firms are building massive data centers to serve our needs for artificial intelligence, cat videos and social media posts. Texas just registered the state’s 400,000th electric vehicle.

Yet it seems like the White House doesn’t want utilities to meet that new demand — at least not with clean, affordable energy. Instead, the administration is pushing expensive fossil fuels that will damage the climate.

Next on Trump’s chopping block is the $6 billion Maryland Offshore Wind Project, which was scheduled to begin construction next year and employ thousands of workers. Earlier, Trump tried to cancel New York’s $5 billion Empire Wind offshore project but relented when New York Gov. Kathy Hochul agreed to allow construction of new natural gas pipelines.

Trump parrots lies to justify his assault on wind, but his deal with Kathy Hochul reveals his true agenda. California has cut natural gas use for electricity by 28% over the past two years by switching to renewables. The oil and gas industry is t

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Thursday, September 4, 2025 8:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Your insistence on The One Big Solution ( nuclear or nothing,) or the One Sweeping Opinion, (nobody died of Covid) is flawed, all- or- nothing thinking. It appeals to your, er ... colorful... personality but it's not how the world usually works.




Did you watch the video?

Or is this a Second/Ted Retarded reply?

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Thursday, September 11, 2025 12:22 AM

US nuclear firm gets funding to bury mini reactors a mile underground, saving 80%

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/deep-fission-goes-public

Turning to the sun: Solar growth in Central Europe exceeds all expectations as it quickly becomes the continent’s battery hub

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/turning-to-the-sun-solar-rise
-in-central-europe
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


Did you watch the video?



I have wanted videos like this before this in an ongoing Futurist / Space thread

all energy is produced by some form of dirty pollution and waste but Biden and Kamala Harris and Germany closing down Nuclear to create more 'Coal' was just dumb

the only clean energy is 'Cold Fusion' and for the moment that's fiction, stuff that exists in Utopian Scifi movies

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Wednesday, September 24, 2025 3:12 PM

"The entire globalist concept of asking successful, industrialized nations to inflict pain on themselves and radically disrupt their entire societies MUST be rejected completely and totally — and it must be immediate."

https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1970503952484520123#m

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Friday, September 26, 2025 11:42 PM

Trump Takes His Fossil Fuel Crusade Global

The U.S. leader is pressuring the world to abandon climate action. Will it work?

By Christina Lu | September 25, 2025, 5:39 PM

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/09/25/trump-energy-fossil-fuel-climate-
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If U.S. President Donald Trump has it his way, the United States won’t be alone in its campaign to unleash more fossil fuels and abandon key environmental regulations. 

The Trump administration has for months championed the U.S. fossil fuel industry, crushed federal climate research efforts, dismantled regulations aimed at curbing pollution, and dismissed the scientific consensus on climate change.

But it’s also now taking its crusade abroad with a flurry of moves aimed at turning up the pressure on international organizations and other countries to follow in its footsteps.

Climate change is “the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the world,” Trump declared to an audience of world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly in New York City on Tuesday. “If you don’t get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail.”

By embracing fossil fuels, the leader is boosting an industry that has long helped power the U.S. economy. The United States is the world’s biggest oil producer and natural gas exporter, and the Trump administration has prioritized pumping up domestic oil and gas production in its bid to achieve what it has called U.S. “energy dominance.” Stoking global demand for fossil fuels is a part of that plan.

“It is in their interest to convince as many countries as possible to maintain reliance on oil and gas so that the U.S. can be a reliable exporter,” said Tom Moerenhout, a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

Yet burning fossil fuels also releases copious amounts of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide and methane. Scientists overwhelmingly agree that those greenhouse gas emissions are warming the world, making extreme heat and precipitation more intense and frequent. Those impacts have become more pronounced globally as countries reel from the hottest year ever recorded and climate change amplifies the impacts of floods and heat waves roiling communities.

At the same time, demand for cheap energy has only grown worldwide. That has fed a big new market for China, a key geopolitical rival, which is not rich in its own oil or gas supply and has instead been racing ahead in the clean energy sector. China has poured hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies into its electric vehicle, wind, and solar industries—massive investments that have allowed it to stake out a dominant position in green supply chains and export cheap technologies all over the world.

“Clean energy is spreading at a pace that no one would have anticipated 20 years ago,” said Alice Hill, a climate expert at the Council on Foreign Relations who served on the National Security Council and at the Department of Homeland Security under the Obama administration.

“There is a play here as well—given China’s dominance in clean energy—to dissuade other nations from turning toward China as they make their energy choices,” Hill added.

Trump is wasting no time in ratcheting up the pressure, from wielding trade threats against world leaders to railing against international agreements designed to curb greenhouse gas emissions. The Trump administration is now pushing the World Bank to ramp up its lending to fossil fuel projects, the Financial Times reported. The United States—a top shareholder in many of the world’s development banks—is also publicly and privately pressuring other institutions to boost fossil fuel lending and turn away from green energy efforts.

Another big target has been the International Energy Agency (IEA), the world’s leading energy organization, which publishes influential forecasts on global energy use. The Trump administration has balked at the IEA’s reports that global oil, gas, and coal demand will peak by 2030 amid greater uptake of electric vehicles and renewable energy—foreca

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Saturday, September 27, 2025 1:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
US nuclear firm gets funding to bury mini reactors a mile underground, saving 80%

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/deep-fission-goes-public

Turning to the sun: Solar growth in Central Europe exceeds all expectations as it quickly becomes the continent’s battery hub

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/turning-to-the-sun-solar-rise
-in-central-europe
/

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


Did you watch the video?



I have wanted videos like this before this in an ongoing Futurist / Space thread

all energy is produced by some form of dirty pollution and waste but Biden and Kamala Harris and Germany closing down Nuclear to create more 'Coal' was just dumb

the only clean energy is 'Cold Fusion' and for the moment that's fiction, stuff that exists in Utopian Scifi movies




And since we're not currently living in that SciFi movie yet, the absolute closest to clean energy that we have currently at our disposal is Nuclear. Nothing else is even close to it, and until somebody wants to have a serious talk about how we start building Nuclear plants yesterday, they are not worth even offering a seat to the table and will be ignored going forward.


And I have no idea how you could be so certain that you've "already watched videos like this" without watching it. Did your videos include the part about how we've basically made it fiscally irresponsible for any individual or company to even entertain the idea of building a nuclear power plant because of all of the government red tape we allowed to be wrapped around the process after Chernobyl? Did your videos show you several examples of nuclear power plants that were in the process of being built when this all began and the owners of that land and those projects went bankrupt while they were fucked over by the US government and their new laws that made completing a nuclear power plant virtually impossible? Did they show you the laws and the intentional vaguery of their wording pertaining to passing inspections which allow anybody to claim anything as a problem and then allows them to completely shut down the work that was currently going on, or even require them to bulldoze all the work they'd already completed and start over from scratch?

Who in their right mind would sign up for that and invest tens or even hundreds of million dollars into something that you know is essentially doomed to lose every dime and every second you put into it before you break ground?

Did your videos talk about a great solution to this problem that would not require making our government remove this red-tape and would theoretically side-step that issue all together?

I dunno man. Maybe they did.

I'm just pointing out that the video is about a lot more than just extolling the virtues of nuclear while downplaying any negatives.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2025 5:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

And since we're not currently living in that SciFi movie yet, the absolute closest to clean energy that we have currently at our disposal is Nuclear.

6ix, you are ignoring wind and solar power.



Fossil Fuels and Fossilized Minds

What’s driving Trump’s doomed attempt to revive coal?

By Paul Krugman | Sep 30, 2025

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/fossil-fuels-and-fossilized-minds

None of the ostensible justifications for promoting coal make sense. It’s not about saving jobs: Coal mining as a way of life vanished decades ago, not because chardonnay-sipping liberals sneered at it, but because corporations replaced miners with machines and explosives. It’s not about reducing energy prices: Trying to keep coal alive will make energy more expensive, not less.

What it’s really about is culture war. Trying to bring back coal is all about owning the libs. And if it damages the environment, well, from MAGA’s point of view that’s a plus.

Solar and wind power have finally become important sources of energy in recent years. But the reason they have grown rapidly while coal has declined isn’t that the chardonnay set considers coal unfashionable. It’s the simple fact that coal is no longer cost-competitive, while wind and solar are.

Needless to say, Trump and company aren’t going to acknowledge these facts. They may not even be aware of them. In his speech at the U.N. General Assembly, Trump declared that the Chinese sell a lot of wind turbines to the rest of the world, “but they barely use them.” Ahem:



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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