Facing the Myth of Redemptive Violence
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
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I'm midly interested in the historical issues of biblical writings, or indeed other religious writings. I've read the translation of the Nag Hammadi Library plus the NT put out by historians, linguists etc billed as the "what Jesus really said" version (roughly 10% of what was attributed to him, the rest was added later).
When it comes to the commandments, there are three versions of Moses' commandments in the OT - two of which have only 9 commandments each, though there are some differences in the 9 from each other; the third set set is dozens of commandments long. Then there are the NT versions, bulked up to make 10 (though, again, different sets), and edited for content.
I just think arguing about them is silly, and using them as a justification in any other argument is even sillier. And trying to figure out the one 'true' version is like arguing about angels on the head of a pin.
My feeling, though, is that if one is going to make a Christian argument, one should look to the words of Christ - and he said there are only two important commandments - love god above all else, and your neighbor as yourself. (Get that Wulf ? Love, not hate.)
(For the record, I've also read several translations of the Tao Te Ching which are wildly different from each other. Though I admit I never made it through more than a small portion of the Bagavad Ghita.)
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Silence is consent.
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Citizen, this issue has been so thoroughly explored by Alice Miller, Andrew Vachss, Jordan Riak and SO many others, it's a wonder anyone would be unaware of it unless they wished to be.
Adolf Hitler: How Could a Monster Succeed in Blinding a Nation?
http://www.naturalchild.com/alice_miller/adolf_hitler.html
The Wellsprings of Horror in the Cradle
http://www.alice-miller.com/articles_en.php?lang=en&nid=46&grp=11
The most absolute, hands-down flawless connection of these elements was however, a speech by Andrew Vachss back in 1983, the truth of which offended so many of the so-called "professionals" he was giving it to that they simply got up and left.
WHO IS THE SERIOUS, VIOLENT, HABITUAL OFFENDER?
http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/lifestyle.html
The problem with hearing, and acknowledging stuff like this, is the need to ADMIT it, and most folk will not, can not, do this - believe me, you've got enough experience with outright denial of the obvious just on this site to know how damn frustrating that can be.
We make our own monsters, and are too willfully blind to see how and why - and the damage is incalculable, look at Carl Panzram as a classic example.
Another large chunk of the problem is how politicians focus on things that will get them some benefit while they're still in power, help them get re-elected, and all too often go with the established more control, more brutal "tough on crime" bullshit which has landed us here, instead of focusing on prevention of the criminal by not creating one in the first place, cause that doesn't pay off till 25 years or so down the road, and besides, kids don't vote so what the hell do they care.
PROTECT *makes* them care.
http://www.protect.org/
It took much longer than we'd hoped, but when you wish to threaten politicians, you need a big damn stick to do it, and that is what Protect is.
All my life I've fought from the shadows, to clear the way for those who can fight in the light, unafraid of the folks sponsoring and profiting from these destructive models, and no moment of that was more quietly glorious than when Pathway crumbled and the balance tipped against the hellcamps.
While I did my share to tear their veil of secrecy and set them up for it, it was Shelby's hand holding the blade that cut their throats, and more power to her.
http://www.isaccorp.org/
The funny thing is that I seemed to have worked myself right out of something to do, there's not really a *NEED* for sabotage and dirty underhanded viciousness, not since this fight has been brought into the light of day and waged by folks with far more professional credentials than I could ever dream of having - but for the massive efforts of shoving it there, of getting that boulder to start rolling, there's so many folk who's only reward for it was the scorn of this society, many of whom never got to see any benefit in their own lifetimes, and I am very proud of them.
Things as they are, these days more and more I am passing the torch down to younger, more capable hands, but I most certainly will be around, and thanks to the benefits of rumor mill reputation and the ability to all but vanish from the public eye, the bad apples gonna be lookin over their shoulders for long years, never sure *enough* that I or one of my proteges ain't creepin up on em.
So, having pushed over domino one, now on to domino two, which is the social and legal recognition of children as human beings.
-Frem
PS:Edit:
Oh yes, btw, you've probably noticed I tend to agree with Will Grigg on many issues, since I have linked to his blog on related points here and there...
What you probably do not know is that addressing WWASPS and Romneys connection to them is what got him fired from The New American magazine.
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/06/mitt-romney-and-teen-tort
ure-industry.html
In a time where the mere mention of such a thing was an instant express ride to the unemployment line, Mr Grigg deserves respect for doing it without flinching, and while I
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Rue wrote:
I just think arguing about them is silly, and using them as a justification in any other argument is even sillier. And trying to figure out the one 'true' version is like arguing about angels on the head of a pin.
Bingo. You got my point perfectly.
The gist of ALL religious teaching pretty much comes down to that simplest of all concepts: Don't shit where you eat.
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Gaza: ‘Unbearable’ suffering continues, UN official tells Security Council
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1165126
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