IRAN: Trump's war?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the realm of what is NOT being reported (in western press), Iran struck heavily populated areas of Tel Aviv, killing an estimated thousand, and wounding many more.
Bombing helpless civilians ... it's not as much fun when you're the one getting bombed.
Listening to some Israeli jagoff whining about it?
Sickening.
I just posted this in another of my threads but I want it here as well.
There is a clock tower in Iran in the middle of a major city, Tehran's Palestine Square. It is called the doomsday clock. It is counting down until 2040. That’s when Iran claims it will have eradicated all the Jews in Israel.
Iran has been yelling “death to America and death to Israel” since the Jews reclaimed sovereignty over Israel in the forties. Let it be remembered, the Ottoman Empire, Arabs, drove the Israelis out of Jerusalem in 1517. If you ask, and I have, any Muslim if they had been driven out of Mecca in 1517, should they be allowed to reclaim their home, they won’t answer. Why, because that would be admitting the Israelis have the same right.
Personally, I am sick and tired of dealing with terrorists. It is said, maybe as many as 20% or even more of Muslim’s are radicalized. Since there are 1.5 billion Muslims, that means there are at least 300 million of the Basterds.
What the Jews are doing in Gaza is, a genocide. I am completely against it. That said, Muslim men hide behind women and children. They did the same thing in Iraq. They always do it.
Israel has been preparing to do what they are doing for a long time. Aside from Gaza, they have every right to do what they are doing. And they’ve been brilliant. I don’t know what will come because Trump bombed Iran, but it’s about time. Iran has been hiding behind women and children as well. They pay the radicals to do their dirty work.
“Iran's proxies in the Middle East include a network of groups that enhance its regional influence and engage in conflicts against Western powers. Key proxies include:
Hezbollah in Lebanon, which serves as a model for other groups.
Various militias in Iraq and Yemen, which receive financial and military support from Iran.
The use of these proxies allows Iran to exert influence across the region while avoiding direct military confrontation.
These groups have been integral to Iran's strategy since the Islamic Revolution of 1979, helping to bolster its hegemony in the Middle East.” online info
Well, they can't hide anymore.
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Trump Says Iran’s Nuke Sites Are “Obliterated.” The Military Isn’t So Sure.
Defense officials say his claims are “overblown” — and the intelligence community said Iran wasn’t building a bomb.
By Nick Turse | June 23 2025, 1:13 p.m.
https://theintercept.com/2025/06/23/trump-iran-nuclear-strikes/
President Donald Trump took to social media to crow over his bombing of Iran on Saturday night. “Tonight, I can report to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success. Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated,” he wrote.
Current and former Pentagon officials question Trump’s certainty that three of Iran’s nuclear sites were “totally obliterated” by U.S. attacks. One current official called the post-strike assessment, offered in the immediate wake of the Saturday attacks, “overblown.” All said the destruction at Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan was extensive, but that the full extent of the damage to Iran’s nuclear capabilities was not immediately clear.
“Overblown and premature,” the defense official, commenting about Trump’s claims on the condition of anonymity to avoid retaliation, told The Intercept by instant message. “What else is new[?]” That assessment was echoed by a former defense official who also spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the nature of his current employment.
In the wake of such criticism, Trump doubled down. “Monumental Damage was done to all Nuclear sites in Iran, as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is an accurate term!” he posted on TruthSocial on Sunday. “The biggest damage took place far below ground level. Bullseye!!!”
“From a targeting standpoint, ‘destruction’ means there is absolutely nothing left. These facilities were not destroyed by formal definition. Further, there is no way to assess the full scale of damage against such targets without boots on the ground,” said Wes Bryant, a former Pentagon official who previously worked as a Special Operations joint terminal attack controller, or JTAC, and called in thousands of strikes against the Islamic State and other terrorist groups across the greater Middle East.
Bryant added: “Suffice to say that the use of these facilities has been denied for the near or considerable future, and the strikes no doubt had a psychological effect on the regime. However, to state that any potential nuclear weapons development on the part of Iran has been permanently stopped would be incredibly naive.”
Six U.S. Air Force B-2 stealth bombers reportedly dropped 12 GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators — 30,000-pound bombs colloquially known as “bunker busters” — on the heavily fortified Fordow nuclear facility, Iran’s main location for enriching uranium. A seventh U.S. B-2 bomber attacked the Natanz Nuclear Facility with two GBU-57 bombs, while a U.S. Navy submarine also launched Tomahawk missiles, targeting both Natanz and Esfahan, as part of the mission code-named “Operation Midnight Hammer.”
Rafael Mariano Grossi, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, reiterated the IAEA’s consistent message that “armed attacks on nuclear facilities should never take place, and could result in radioactive releases with grave consequences within and beyond the boundaries of the State which has been attacked,” in an address to the agency’s Board of Governors on Monday.
He noted that craters were now visible at the Fordow site but stated that “no one — including the IAEA — is in a position to have fully assessed the underground damage at Fordow. He added: “Given the explosive payload utilized, and the extreme vibration-sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is expected to have occurred.”
A senior Iranian official told Reuters that most of the highly enriched uranium at Fordow had been moved to an undisclosed location ahead of the U.S. strikes. Before and after the Saturday attacks, current and former U.S. defense officials told The Intercept that this was highly likely.
“We often don’t give our adversaries enough credit and underestimate the
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Iranian missiles over Doha. Advance notice was given.
"It be rainin' missiles!" Inbound to Tel Aviv.
Fuck Israel. I hope those evil Zionists are scattered across the globe.
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GPS jamming in the straits of Hormuz: Given the missile exchanges between Iran and the USA appear to be primarily theater, and that Iran has million$ of reasons not to piss off China and Saudi Arabia, there's a distinct possibility that this is an Israeli false flag.
Keeping an open mind.
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Quote:Jews didn't have sovereignty over Palestine. They lived there, along with other Semites, throughout the period. However, when BRITAIN GAVE PART OF PALESTINE TO THE JEWS, THE JEWS DISPLACED PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY LIVING THERE, KNOCKING DOWN THEIR HOUSES, TEARING UP THEIR OLIVE ORCHARDS AND FARMS, AND CONDUCTING A POGROM OF THEIR OWN.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the realm of what is NOT being reported (in western press), Iran struck heavily populated areas of Tel Aviv, killing an estimated thousand, and wounding many more.
Bombing helpless civilians ... it's not as much fun when you're the one getting bombed.
Listening to some Israeli jagoff whining about it?
Sickening.
THGR:
I just posted this in another of my threads but I want it here as well.
There is a clock tower in Iran in the middle of a major city, Tehran's Palestine Square. It is called the doomsday clock. It is counting down until 2040. That’s when Iran claims it will have eradicated all the Jews in Israel.
Iran has been yelling “death to America and death to Israel” since the Jews reclaimed sovereignty over Israel in the forties.
Quote:If you grant Israel the "right" to reclaim their "homeland", then you must also grant Palestinians the right to reclaim theirs.
Let it be remembered, the Ottoman Empire, Arabs, drove the Israelis out of Jerusalem in 1517. If you ask, and I have, any Muslim if they had been driven out of Mecca in 1517, should they be allowed to reclaim their home, they won’t answer. Why, because that would be admitting the Israelis have the same right.
Quote:Me too. That's why I'm sick and tired of dealing with Zionists.
Personally, I am sick and tired of dealing with terrorists.
Quote:Then why did we use terrorists as our proxies in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and Chechnya?
It is said, maybe as many as 20% or even more of Muslim’s are radicalized. Since there are 1.5 billion Muslims, that means there are at least 300 million of the Basterds.
Quote:It is also, by definition, TERRORISM. The (terrorist) State of Israel has killed more people than all the Muslim terrorists combined.
What the Jews are doing in Gaza is, a genocide.
Quote:All those hospitals that Israel targeted, claiming there were Hamas command centers underneath?
I am completely against it. That said, Muslim men hide behind women and children. They did the same thing in Iraq. They always do it.
Bullshit.
Israelis TARGET civilians.
Quote:Israel has been stealing land and water and forcing the former inhabitants to live in the biggest open air concentration camps ever. Just like the Warsaw ghetto but much, much bigger.
Israel has been preparing to do what they are doing for a long time.
They not only stole Palestinisn land, they stole Syrian land and water, they tried to steal Lebanese land, and the whackier ones are even talking about stealing Jordan and parts of Eqypt.
Brilliant?
Hardly.
Quote:They have no right at all.
Aside from Gaza, they have every right to do what they are doing.
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blah blah blah
Why couldn't Jews just live there in peace with the people already living there? Why did they have to steal their land, and put them into concentration... er, "refugee"... camps for generations, dependent on Zionists for food, water, electricity, fuel, and basic supplies?
Do you know what Israel is doing now? They are targeting emergency food distribution centers so when people go for food, they get killed.
Fuck Israel. If there was a hell, Zionists would surely burn in it.
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Donald Trump's decision to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities wasn't strategic planning — it was pure ego.
Trump flip-flopped wildly in the final hours before Saturday's strikes, initially siding with Tucker Carlson's anti-war stance before abruptly reversing course when Republican hawks convinced him military action would make him "look like a winner."
Wolff, speaking on The Daily Beast Podcast, dismissed White House claims that the bombing represented careful, methodical planning. "This is not true at all, this is completely made up," he said bluntly.
The deciding factor? Trump's vanity. "Then the tenor of the phone calls was him saying, 'I think I'm gonna look very good if I do this,'" Wolff explained, calling the Iranian strikes a "vanity bombing."
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-tulsi-iran/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Trump attacked Iran without even an attempt to provide a sound reasoning. There was no false flag incident or any serious argument of weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. attacked Iran simply because it could do so.
Trump is thereby not only in breach of the U.S. constitution, which requires Congress to declare a war. The U.S. war of aggression against Iran is also a breach of the U.S. Charter. Its attacks on civil nuclear installations is a breach of the Additional Protocols of the Geneva Convention which prohibits these.
We are now in a new world disorder:
The first major consequence, in broader terms, is that this strike dealt a final, irreparable blow to what little remained of the post-war international legal and institutional framework. That order was already in tatters — shredded by a year and a half of Western-backed genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. But this latest attack makes it official: Western powers no longer feel the need to cloak their actions in legality, morality or even the façade of diplomatic legitimacy.
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Today, even that pretense is gone. In Gaza, and now with the strikes on Iran, the gloves are fully off. What we’re witnessing is a regression to a kind of global lawlessness — a “might makes right” free-for-all where nothing is off limits: not the mass slaughter of civilians, not the bombing of nuclear sites, not even the complete sidelining of international institutions.
https://www.thomasfazi.com/p/gangster-empire-what-the-bombing
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/06/some-consequences-of-the-war-on-
iran.html#more
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During an interview with Brian Tyler Cohen, Mark Cuban said, "I've known Trump for 25 years... He is the most unethical, lacks character, dishonest person I've ever done business with... This is one of the few human beings on the planet that gets dumber in front of our faces every single day."
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/175599/stephe
n-king-trump-incompetent-remark
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Why should I care what Mark Cuban ... whoever he is ... says?
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Quote:Because Mark Cuban has direct experience with Trump, a good reputation, and solid judgment. Signym, you are playing a stupid game called: "Why should I care what the experts say when I, Signym, am so much more trustworthy?" Except you are not worth trusting. Here is another expert you can claim knows far less than the brilliant Signym. The expert is Juan Cole.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Why should I care what Mark Cuban ... whoever he is ... says?
Top Things You Still Think You Know About Iran that are Not True
By Juan Cole | 06/21/2025
https://www.juancole.com/2025/06/things-still-think.html
A revised version of an essay from a long time ago. It didn’t need much revision.
Belief: Iran is aggressive and has threatened to attack Israel, its neighbors or the US.
Reality: Iran has not launched an aggressive war in modern history (unlike the US or Israel), and its leaders have a doctrine of “no first strike.” This is true of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, as well as of Revolutionary Guards commanders.
Belief: Iran is a militarized society bristling with dangerous weapons and a growing threat to world peace.
Reality: Iran’s military budget in recent years has expanded from $10 billion a year around $15 billion annually, making it 25th in the world for such expenditures and putting it in the same range as Singapore and Uruguay. Algeria and Turkiye spend more, and Israel spends twice as much. Even if the war causes Iran to double its spending, it would still only match the United Arab Emirates and Israel, and would not reach the level of Saudi Arabia. Moreover, Iran is a country of 92 million, so that its per capita spending on defense is tiny compared to some of these others, since they are much smaller countries with regard to population.
Belief: Iran has threatened to attack Israel militarily and to “wipe it off the map.”
Reality: Iran’s leaders have often warned Israel that an attack would be met with a strong response. No Iranian leader in the executive had threatened a first-strike, aggressive act of war on Israel, since this would contradict the doctrine of ‘no first strike’ to which the country has adhered.
Belief: But didn’t President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (in office 2005-2013) threaten to ‘wipe Israel off the map?’
Reality: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did quote Ayatollah Khomeini (d. 1989) to the effect that “this Occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” (in rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Qods bayad as safheh-e ruzgar mahv shavad). This was not a pledge to roll tanks and invade or to launch missiles, however. It is the expression of a hope that the regime will collapse, just as the Soviet Union did. It is not a threat to kill anyone at all.
Belief: But aren’t Iranians Holocaust deniers?
Actuality: Some are, some aren’t. Former president Mohammad Khatami has castigated Ahmadinejad for questioning the full extent of the Holocaust, which he called “the crime of Nazism.” Many educated Iranians in the regime are perfectly aware of the horrors of the Holocaust. In any case, despite what propagandists imply, neither Holocaust denial (as wicked as that is) nor calling Israel names is the same thing as pledging to attack it militarily.
Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.
Actuality: Iran has long had a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it said it was producing fuel for its Bushehr nuclear energy plant and for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders denied that this site was for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency repeatedly inspected it over the decades and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. As recently as March Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard reaffirmed that US intelligence has no evidence for
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During an interview with Brian Tyler Cohen, Mark Cuban said, "I've known Trump for 25 years... He is the most unethical, lacks character, dishonest person I've ever done business with... This is one of the few human beings on the planet that gets dumber in front of our faces every single day."
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/175599/stephe
n-king-trump-incompetent-remark
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Yes yes...
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