Miracles and Veritas

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UPDATED: Saturday, February 8, 2003 15:31
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LEGALBEGAL

Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:51 PM

I agree with the critisisms of Veritas but if the son would stop acting babyish and they got a decent company to do the special effects it could be good.

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Also, why is it that the church must represent the good? Why does either organiztion have to be "evil"? It is possible for 2 opposing groups to be in conflict and for neither to be truly bad (and, in the case of some corporate clashes, for both to be equally evil ). Also, the "God is Nowhere" was not stated as an absolute, rather as an oppose theme to the "Go is Now Here" upcoming tenre of the apocalypse feel.

The church does not have to represeent the good guy and on most shows I would't expect it to but here with the nature of the show and the way the billed it I came in with the idea that the church was good. That is why it left a bad feel in my mouth.

I think that they can build on this but I dont seethem doing it, and I dont think they did the napkin thing to illustarte a future apocayptic storyline I think it was just one more shot at the Catholic church like using the Arch Diasis of Boston who has been under fire lately.

Just for clarification Im not Catholic so that is not why i didn't care for the show. There is the possibility that it will get better and I will give it a second chance and totally change my opinion then again I may not, change my opinion that is.

LOSTANGEL

Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:10 PM

I don't think they used the napkin to take a shot at the church. When Paul asked why God would let a little boy die in order to save other people, the other guy said,"what makes you think it's God?" or something like that.

I got out of it that the whole God is Nowhere is being done by someone/thing other than the Big Guy, and now God is stepping up to the plate with the God is now here.

Funny, and I said I wouldn't go onto any fansites. (I know, it's only a thread, but still...)

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

FURYFIRE

Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:58 PM

Miracles is a damn good show. It has all the elements of Angel, Firefly, and Buffy. Firefly WAS a supernatural western, as Miracles IS a supernatural religous show. Your dumbassity to see any of this proves your opinion does not count and is worthless.

Veritas was executed badly. When pitched to ABC, the show had all the innerworkings to make it a fantastic show, well-written and all. The actors sucked it all up though, and the pilot script got too mangled with edgy producers.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

LOSTANGEL

Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:04 PM

Fury Fire:

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Your dumbassity to see any of this proves your opinion does not count and is worthless.

Now why do have to be rude and all? If you want to be a troll, go over to one of the other fansites, we're respectable, civilized folks here. Besides you only shoot yourself in the foot by making up your own words like dumassity.

Otherwise, Firefly is not a supernatural western. It is a futuristic western. There is a difference, but thank you for demonstrating just what dumbassity is. Your leading by example is very commendable.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

FURYFIRE

Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:08 PM

Yeah so in the future we'll all be psychic.

I'm not a troll, I'm a rebel, and you're just an idiot.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

ROBERTSPARLING

Friday, January 31, 2003 12:40 AM

Being psychic is a toss up when it comes to being either supernatural or superscience. It's more a question of the origins of the power. If, for instance, someone is granted the power from a relic or (like Buffy in Earshot) a supernatural source, then yes, that is supernatural.

Since much of River's subplot and character are derived from the medical experiments that the Men with Hands of Blue performed on her, it appears that River's particular brand of telepathy is scientific in nature, not supernatural. Indeed, some scientists swear up and down that the human brain has the capacity to be telepathic, but since we only use 10% or so off our minds, we are unable to currently do it. It may be possible in the distant future though.

I understand you like Miracles and Veritas. Once again, good for you. I wish you and the shows long lives. But please stop posting here. This is a Firefly board. All you ever do is come in here and rant about how great Miracles is, and then call everyone who disagrees with you a dumbass. We have our own opinions about the shows, most of which go completely against yours. Sorry but it's true.

Start a Miracles board. You'll find many like minded people I'm sure. Just leave our board alone.

MILLERNATE

Friday, January 31, 2003 4:11 AM

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Indeed, some scientists swear up and down that the human brain has the capacity to be telepathic, but since we only use 10% or so off our minds, we are unable to currently do it. It may be possible in the distant future though.

Actually, based off what I've heard, this is incorrect. While we only use 10% of our brains at any given time we do use 100% of it overall (just not all at once). So far telepathy is considered scientifically improbable (because you can't really prove a negative), which is why most "hard science fiction" does not use it.

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I understand you like Miracles and Veritas. Once again, good for you. I wish you and the shows long lives. But please stop posting here. This is a Firefly board

Not to get too

y but he can talk about it if he wants too. We do have boards up to "talk story" (talk about anything) and for "other science fiction series". If he talks about it at those boards then there is no reason to complain about him discussing these shows (you can complain about how he discusses those shows, but not that he discusses them).

Nathan
"It looks like a great adventure...That's what it is; that's what it feels like. When I saw the pilot, it was really engaging. It was exciting. It was unusual. It threw me off every now and then. I think people will be grabbed by it." - Ron Glass, on the pilot, during an interview with the Indianapolis Star

ROBERTSPARLING

Friday, January 31, 2003 6:03 AM

It's a fictional show to begin with. And yes, many scientists believe that telepathy is possible and may be probable in the future. Also, Many do not share that veiw. And you might want to check your 100% theory out a little further. You may have referred to using all areas of the brain, but not all the tissue that encompasses those areas.

The only reason I'm telling him to go to another board is that he obviously doesn't want to be here. Yes we have threads for other show discussion, but on those threads, the people who like Buffy or Farscape, don't call the Firefly fans who don't watch the shows, dumbasses. I'm sorry, but I don't like being called a dumbass simply because I don't want to watch a show that Mr. Fury Fire thinks is on par with the second coming of Christ.

I wouldn't object if he just kept his posts limited to what he liked about the show, or what he thought of a particular episode, instead of calling everyone who dislikes Miracles a dumbass.

I also think he should look toward college instead of the internet posting boards, to help his screenwriting career (assuming he hasn't gone yet).

LIFEOFWILY

Friday, January 31, 2003 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by FURYFIRE:
Miracles is a damn good show. Your dumbassity to see any of this proves your opinion does not count and is worthless.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

Hey there. I see we're using the "Dumbass" word again. It's like a Dinner Bell to my ears.

"Veritas" was a fun, interesting show. I'm glad I grabbed it to the HD. It will be exciting to see how many episodes they air before cancelling it, despite the fact they aired 20 minutes of show before any commercials. Bravo.

"Miracles", on the other hand, was much more than I expected. In other posts, I've likened it to "Seventh Heaven" based on the title--this comparison (while initially tongue-in-cheek) is wholly inaccurate. It's not a crappy X-Files clone either. It's an exceptional X-Files clone.

I am tremendously worried that "Miracles" will get cancelled, too. SPOILERS AHEAD: All the trappings for complex fiction have been put in place. Angus McFayden (Robert the Bruce, dammit!) is in a perfect Devil's Advocate roll, if indeed he's not the actual Devil. I thought it was brilliant the way Skeet's faith, and our own, was given new, powerful life by the "God is now here" message. And then how Angus casually popped in a seed of doubt. You know he's gotta be lying, because we saw the message, too. But that doubt is in my head now... and it ain't going anywhere. Bravo.

Now, "Miracles" does indeed look like a combination of "X-Files", "Brimstone" and "Millennium". But those are all great, interesting shows. So it's cool to enjoy it... I guess.

However, on behalf of dumbasses everywhere, I'd like to say that anyone who uses the word "dumbassity" has proven that anything else they have to say is worthless, and their opinions no longer count.

So the rest of you will have to take MY word for it, that "Miracles" is a pretty good show. Worth investing some magnetic tape in. Or HD space (as the case may be).

And did you see "The Practice" with the crazy lady arc? Man, that's shiny. I'm pumped!

~newbs (lifeofwily)

no power in the 'verse can stop me

The above post does not reflect the opinions of all dumbasses every-which-where. Only THIS dumbass.

LOSTANGEL

Friday, January 31, 2003 1:54 PM

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I'm not a troll, I'm a rebel, and you're just an idiot.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

Yup, you're a troll.

Please refrain from posting if you are going to insult other people. Differing opinions are welcome if they are posted politely. Giving facts to go with your views also helps go your credibility. Insulting people only accentuates your childishness and insecurity.

I'm not mad, I feel sorry for you.

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Lost Angel

WASH: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction.
ZOE: We live in a space ship, dear.
WASH: So?

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