The U.S. Has Changed Its Mind About Europe
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Quote:Signym, for one thing, Kissinger didn't say what you claim he said. For another, Russians are murdering Ukrainians, and have murdered Ukrainians for centuries, then stole their land. The Russians know what they are doing looks bad, so they complain that it is NOT THEM, its somebody else's fault. But you'd have to be stupid and crazy, Signym, to accept the justifications Russians use for murder and plunder.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You keep pushing the fiction that big bad Russia is conquering Ukraine out of sheer maliciousness. But even the NYT acknowledges, finally, that this was a coalition war planned to regime change Russia and split it from China.
Yanno, in their hubris, neocons really believed ... as you still do, SECOND, despite all evidence ... that there would be a short, pro-forma war that would rationalize freezing Russian assets, kicking the RCB off SWIFT, and collapsing the Russian government. Nobody imagined it would lead to a Vietnam-style war of attrition where Russia would win.
I feel for Ukrainians who're paying the ultimate price for our neocons' fever dreams and Zelensky's corruption.
Zelensky REALLY should have paid attention to Kissinger.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:‘False choice’: GOP congressman breaks ranks to deliver Trump history lesson
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yeah. I forgot about Stalin.
The Democratic Party's role model.
Shut the fuck up, dummy.
Don't give a shit about your version of history on any topic.
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Shredding the Postwar Order
By Fintan O’Toole
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2025/04/24/shredding-the-postwar-orde
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Europeans were shocked in late February when Trump declared that “the European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it, and they’ve done a good job of it.” He was merely repeating what he has said before. In 2020 Bob Woodward reported in his book Rage on a conversation with Trump: “The president brought up the European Union, which he felt had also been ‘ripping us off for years’ and been ‘formed to screw the United States.’”
In this darkly masochistic fantasy, the EU is no less threatening than China. Bolton recalls that, in a meeting with German chancellor Angela Merkel, “Trump also used a line I later heard countless times, that ‘the EU is worse than China except smaller,’ adding that the EU was set up to take advantage of the US.” In an interview on Fox News in July 2018, Trump said something similar. Maria Bartiromo asked him, “Would it be better to actually have our allies together to go against China instead of pushing back on our allies?” Trump replied, “Excuse me—the European Union is possibly as bad as China, just smaller. OK? It’s terrible what they do to us.” Thus swaggering virility morphs into a Victorian melodrama of feminine vulnerability—America is the naif taken advantage of by a predatory EU that has had its wicked way with her.
This anxiety goes so deep that when Trump has to list America’s enemies, it is the EU that first comes to mind. In 2018, before traveling to an infamously sycophantic summit with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Trump was asked by CBS News to name his “biggest foe globally right now.” “Well,” he said, “I think we have a lot of foes. I think the European Union is a foe, what they do to us in trade. Now you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe.” As so often with Trump, it is hard to distinguish petty personal grievances from epoch-making political decisions. In the 2017 interview with the London Times, he claimed that the EU had prevented him from developing his golf course in Ireland:
Quote:This isn’t what happened, but in Trump’s mind there is little distinction between real and perceived slights. And this imaginary unpleasantness still weighs on him—in a press conference with the Irish taoiseach, Micheál Martin, in the White House on March 12, he spent two minutes repeating his tale of woe about the EU and Doonbeg.
I own a big property in Ireland, magnificent property called Doonbeg, what happened is I went for an approval to do this massive, beautiful expansion…but I learnt a lot because I got the approvals very quickly from Ireland and then Ireland and my people went to the EU to get the approval—it was going to take years—that was a very bad thing for Ireland….
I found it to be a very unpleasant experience.
Politically, Trump’s hostility toward the EU first manifested in his enthusiastic support for Brexit. During his 2016 campaign he was anxious to identify himself personally with Britain’s decision to leave the EU. “Many people,” he tweeted just after the British referendum of June 23 that year, “are equating BREXIT, and what is going on in Great Britain, with what is happening in the US. People want their country back!” In August he doubled down: “They will soon be calling me MR. BREXIT!” At that time right-wingers in both Europe and the US hoped that Brexit was a harbinger of the collapse of the EU itself. Trump expressed this in the Times interview: “I think people want, people want their own identity, so if you ask me, others, I believe others will leave.”
In Trump’s first term his belief that the EU is a “foe” on a par with China (and far below Russia) bubbled up from time to time but largely remained latent. It could even—as in his Warsaw speech—be completely buried under Atlanticist boilerplate. But with Trump, nothing goes away. In his second term, his anti-Europeanism is not merely free from restraint by remnants of the old
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Originally posted by second:
Shredding the Postwar Order
By Fintan O’Toole
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2025/04/24/shredding-the-postwar-orde
r-fintan-otoole/
Europeans were shocked in late February when Trump declared that “the European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it, and they’ve done a good job of it.”
I'll grant you this one. Trump was wrong about that.
The EU was formed in order to screw European citizens, turn their own national governments and elected officials into meaningless puppets under an unelected cabal who's sole purpose and aim is destroy their history, their national pride and their nations as a whole.
I'd assume that Trump didn't bother phrasing it that way because Americans don't give a shit about the EU. They fucked their own countries up by letting it in, they can figure out how to unfuck themselves or else they'll all just be Muslim countries in 50 years.
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Quote:Did I add or change any words? Nope! He said exactly what I posted. Don't take his prescience away from him!
Originally posted by second:Quote:Signym, for one thing, Kissinger didn't say what you claim he said.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You keep pushing the fiction that big bad Russia is conquering Ukraine out of sheer maliciousness. But even the NYT acknowledges, finally, that this was a coalition war planned to regime change Russia and split it from China.
Yanno, in their hubris, neocons really believed ... as you still do, SECOND, despite all evidence ... that there would be a short, pro-forma war that would rationalize freezing Russian assets, kicking the RCB off SWIFT, and collapsing the Russian government. Nobody imagined it would lead to a Vietnam-style war of attrition where Russia would win.
I feel for Ukrainians who're paying the ultimate price for our neocons' fever dreams and Zelensky's corruption.
Zelensky REALLY should have paid attention to Kissinger.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
Quote:Kiev was the first Russian capital before it moved eastward. Catherine the Great founded Odessa.
For another, Russians are murdering Ukrainians, and have murdered Ukrainians for centuries, then stole their land.
https://www.rbth.com/history/326434-kiev-as-mother-of-russian-cities
I think Ukrainians stole the land from Russia!
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA
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Quote:Signym, fix your signature which includes only the clause of a conditional statement and totally reverses the meaning of the original Kissinger full quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did I add or change any words? Nope! He said exactly what I posted. Don't take his prescience away from him!Quote:Kiev was the first Russian capital before it moved eastward. Catherine the Great founded Odessa.
For another, Russians are murdering Ukrainians, and have murdered Ukrainians for centuries, then stole their land.
https://www.rbth.com/history/326434-kiev-as-mother-of-russian-cities
I think Ukrainians stole the land from Russia!
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
"Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."
Kissinger said this in late November 1968 after Nixon was elected president, but before Nixon was inaugurated.
It wasn't a public statement, just a statement to William F. Buckley Jr. in a phone call, with Buckley taking notes, so it isn't verifiable beyond Buckley (author of United Nations Journal: A Delegate's Odyssey).
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56470/did-henry-kissinger
-say-it-may-be-dangerous-to-be-americas-enemy-but-to-be-am
Signym, you and Putin "think Ukrainians stole the land from Russia!" It is a short and perfect justification for Russians to murder Ukrainians and plunder their land.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:6ix, you should send an email to 1,000 people. It is a tradition:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The EU was formed in order to screw European citizens, turn their own national governments and elected officials into meaningless puppets under an unelected cabal who's sole purpose and aim is destroy their history, their national pride and their nations as a whole.
I'd assume that Trump didn't bother phrasing it that way because Americans don't give a shit about the EU. They fucked their own countries up by letting it in, they can figure out how to unfuck themselves or else they'll all just be Muslim countries in 50 years.
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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon
Before neo-Nazi Anders Breivik massacred 77 people in Norway in 2011, he emailed a 1,518-page document, a compendium of his own writing and other far-right texts, to over 1,000 people. The screed warned that Muslim immigration to Europe amounted to an “invasion” of people — whose culture was “incompatible with Western society — that would lead to the “cultural and demographic suicide” of the continent.
Earlier this month, the vice president of the United States went on TV to say the same thing. Speaking with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, JD Vance asserted that Germany is suffering an “invasion” of people who are “totally culturally incompatible” with “Western civilization.” This purported “invasion,” Vance said, will lead to a “civilizational suicide” if it’s not stopped.
It barely triggers a 24-hour news cycle anymore when the vice president and his boss, President Donald Trump, use the same language as fascist mass murderers. I’ve witnessed this process of normalization over the last eight years as a reporter covering the far right, seeing neo-Nazi talking points, especially around immigration, enter the mainstream discourse with horrifying, accelerating speed.
I fear now that many of us here in America still haven’t registered the logical endpoint of such rhetoric, which both dehumanizes subgroups of human beings and presents them as an existential threat. I fear that even as the Trump-Vance administration now embarks on its extralegal campaign of mass deportation — paired with a campaign to rip away the judiciary of its power to keep the White House in check — many Americans are reluctant to come to terms with the idea of sprawling concentration camps, and worse, in America today. But the extreme actions and rhetoric being taken by the administration are not dissimilar from those deployed in the early stages of some of the worst regimes of the 20th century.
Don’t think it can happen here? — It’s already happening.
Demonizing rhetoric from the White House, arrests without due process, deporting immigrants to a brutal prison in a foreign country. This is America today.
https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2025/04/01/dont-think-it-can-happen-h
ere-its-already-happening/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, you should send an email to 1,000 people.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The EU was formed in order to screw European citizens, turn their own national governments and elected officials into meaningless puppets under an unelected cabal who's sole purpose and aim is destroy their history, their national pride and their nations as a whole.
I'd assume that Trump didn't bother phrasing it that way because Americans don't give a shit about the EU. They fucked their own countries up by letting it in, they can figure out how to unfuck themselves or else they'll all just be Muslim countries in 50 years.
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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon
You should stop posting pirate website links all over Haken's site.
Shut the fuck up, loser.
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