questions to tie up angel
POSTED BY: est120
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 19:25
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Yes, est120, he has. That's why he shows up at Wolfram & Hart that night to fight alongside Angel.
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Idefix, there's no such thing as a black panther. What people call black panthers are really a species of leopard. They have spots, but since the cats' fur is black, they are less visible than those of regular leopards.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I heard at one point someone said the sign of the black thorn (whatever the uber evil dude society was called) was on the robots. So it's possible that one of them sent the robots to take control of Angel.
When I watched the episode though I thought it must have been a surviving council member. There was a thread here about the possibility that Giles sent the robots even.
I too believe this would have been explored had the show not been cancelled.
Zeek, this be about ur first point that someone said the sign of the black thorn was on the robots... this episode happened before any one at Angel Inc. knew about black thorn so no one would have mentioned it.
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Originally posted by est120:
okay, i have seen all the episodes of angel (and they were great!), but i still have a couple of questions. perhaps some people can help me.just a quick note, there may be spoilers for people who do not know the whole story, so beware!
1. in the finale, connor tells angel he knows who he is. does he figure this out in the previous episode where wesley smashes the "thingy" from vail? does he know then and just not say anything? does that make his last line in that episode, "you protect your family, i learned that from my father" directed at angel?
2. why does lindsay end up helping them? of course, we know that he is obsessed with the senior partners, but he never said that he wanted to destroy them or fight with them. also, why does angel have him killed? they have been adversaries for years, but was there really no way angel could trust him or even just let him live?
3. if angel can feed off of hamilton and gain some of his strength in order to defeat him, does that mean hamilton is human? we know that the liason to the senior partners is immortal, but are they (hamilton and eve) just immortal humans?
4. when gunn goes to the white room to plead for fred's life, who is it that he is talking to? in season 4, we see the little girl that, i thought, was the conduit to the senior partners. does the beast kill her? why all of a sudden does the conduit alter forms?
i know this is a lot of minutiae, but i am sure most of these questions have answers that i just missed while watching the (most likely) edited episodes on TV.
OK now to answer ur questions as best i can.
1) At the end of that episode it seems that conner does have the memorys of his father, just by the way he act, but tehre is no for sure way to tell because it may have taken longer for the spell to kick in becasue conner aint human, or beacause conner was far away fomr the blast and behind a magic wall.
2)Lindsey helps angel kill the snior partners because ever since he left WR&H he has hated them he knew more about them than anyone, he wants them hurt almost as much as he wants angel hurt. And of course there was the TORTURE they put him through... i dont see Lindsey as a forgiving guy... Angel cuts off his hand they hate eachother, the senior partners cut out his heart over and over... thast something he might not have liked so much.
3)We end up leanring eve is only immortal because she is under contract, but we dont know whether or not they're human or not but as long as they have blood angel can feed off them.
4)The little girl is killed by the beast and after that, it is a different conduit, this one, as gunns evil twin conduit type thing said, the conduit appears different to each person(something along those lines).
"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"
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ok I translated the species from german to english, maybe you call both leopards but my dictionary gave me the name 'panther'. and since they are called 'Panter' in german I believed it. we pronounce it pretty differently but loepard is Leopard as well. if they are related or not I do not know, I'm no biologist.
sorry if I confused anyone. we call the black ones 'Panter' and so I assumed you do too and just got them confused.
Idefix
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Originally posted by oddness2her:
Idefix, there's no such thing as a black panther. What people call black panthers are really a species of leopard. They have spots, but since the cats' fur is black, they are less visible than those of regular leopards.
Well, slap me silly and call me Susan.
I didn't believe you, so I looked up a bunch of stuff all over the web, and kept coming across corroborating evidence. I have learned something today. Most importantly, that the Carolina Panthers mascot is misnamed. Secondly, that I can now refer to my tattoo as a black leopard, thus avoiding the inevitable strange looks and racial innuendos I have gotten in the past.
So thanks for the science lesson, Oddness.
"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."
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Maugwai, you are most welcome, but I must share credit with Animal Planet. I'm just tickled that what started as a discussion of a minor plot point on a tv fansite could inspire biology research. Inquiring minds rule!
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Okay, I checked my dictionary and apparently black leopards can also be known as panthers.
So I guess saying black panther is redundant. If a leopard is black, go ahead and call it a panther. Glad we cleared this up.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I heard at one point someone said the sign of the black thorn (whatever the uber evil dude society was called) was on the robots. So it's possible that one of them sent the robots to take control of Angel.
When I watched the episode though I thought it must have been a surviving council member. There was a thread here about the possibility that Giles sent the robots even.
I too believe this would have been explored had the show not been cancelled.
Zeek, this be about ur first point that someone said the sign of the black thorn was on the robots... this episode happened before any one at Angel Inc. knew about black thorn so no one would have mentioned it.
Sorry. Clarification: someone on this site said that they saw the black thorn logo on the robots. Not someone on the show. They must have seen it after the series was over and they rewatched the season or something. Never heard anyone else back that up though.
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Originally posted by est120:
okay, i have seen all the episodes of angel (and they were great!), but i still have a couple of questions. perhaps some people can help me.
1. in the finale, connor tells angel he knows who he is. does he figure this out in the previous episode where wesley smashes the "thingy" from vail? does he know then and just not say anything? does that make his last line in that episode, "you protect your family, i learned that from my father" directed at angel?
*Yeah.I do.Because he probably remembers what Angel said before he 'killed' him.Plus,I don't see his fake-father(in the very little time that we see him)as the big 'protect your family'type.Also,just the way Connor looked at Angel when he said that.*
2. why does lindsay end up helping them? of course, we know that he is obsessed with the senior partners, but he never said that he wanted to destroy them or fight with them. also, why does angel have him killed? they have been adversaries for years, but was there really no way angel could trust him or even just let him live?
*I think the only reason Angel asked Lindsay to help him is because his team wasn't big enough to kill all of the Black Thorn at once unless you count Lorne and he really isn't in to fighting.*
3. if angel can feed off of hamilton and gain some of his strength in order to defeat him, does that mean hamilton is human? we know that the liason to the senior partners is immortal, but are they (hamilton and eve) just immortal humans?
*Pretty much.From my understanding of it anyway.*
4. when gunn goes to the white room to plead for fred's life, who is it that he is talking to? in season 4, we see the little girl that, i thought, was the conduit to the senior partners. does the beast kill her? why all of a sudden does the conduit alter forms?
*Probably cause it knows that he is going to betray him soon.*
You protect your family.I learned that from my father.
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To touch upon the Lindsey question:
Angel gives Lindsey a chance to join the good guys, and tests him - Lindsey fails the test. When Lindsey agrees to help, Angel asks him why - the answer he was hoping for is "because it's the right thing to do". He was hoping that Lindsey has learned that by now.
However, Lindsey responds by saying that it's going to be one hell of a fight, and he doesn't want to miss it, so basically what the hell. (That's a paraphrase of course.) At that moment, you can see the decision in Angel's eyes - he knows he has to kill Lindsey because he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, and in the end is just going to be another bad guy.
It's a subtle scene, and of course this is my interpretation of it. However, it was a very harsh judgment on Angel's part, assuming that Lindsey is beyond the chance of becoming one of the good guys, given that Angel gives such lip service to the notion of redemption. (And also given that Angel/Angelus has committed far greater evils that Lindsey could ever dream of, and was still redeemed.)
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon
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