Dinosaurs in the bible?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Part of the problem is that science is taught as a series of "facts", not as a process.
Yes! A terrible misconception. The teaching of "facts" in general is destructive to critical thought. Teach process! Teach models! Any discussion of facts should emphasize direct experience, never dogma.
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Drifting into philosphy, one of the hardest things to do is to see your very deepest assumptions and limitations.
But that is exactly what reality demands.
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Science could use big doses of humility and philosophy.
And a well-earned vacation from time to time!
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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The clarifyingchristianity website is about the dumbest thing I've ever read. If behemoth and leviathon are supposed to be dinosaurs why does the Biblical descriptions make them out to be animals still alive when dinosaurs clearly died millions of years before humans came along?
Of course, dinosaurs have techincally not died out. Birds being on the same branch of the evolutionary tree (so to speak) technically classifies them as dinosaurs. But even then large, fire-breathing dinos are myths. And real dinosaurs died long before people. They died at the border between the Permian and Triassic periods and mammals just started up around then. Primates hadn't even come along yet, much less humans when dinos still walked the earth.
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This is the third time I have tried to explain my way of thinking, and considering the above, I think this will be my last post on this topic.
Please consider my viewpoint. I am, of course, a religious Christian, and hence I believe that God is the all powerful creator of the universe.
There are two ways I can see this:
ID, and evolution.
Now ID fits in perfectly with my beliefs, I have no trouble at all with "God spoke and created the universe". He is, of course, infinitely powerful. It explains anything and everything.
Looking at current evolution theory, I find that it IS flawed, macroevolution is still to be explained, and I have rather lengthy and thick biology textbooks that support this. (Recent too.)
Yes. There is massive evidence supporting the evolution theory, but there are just niggly little things that just bother me. I absolutely love the theory, I think that the evidence weaves well with the theory. It just happens that I'm more comfortable with ID.
People, do you see what I've been trying to get at? I don't hate science, I love it in fact. Please don't say that I'm ignoring science, because I'm not. There IS a chance that science is wrong, and I'd like to take that chance, simply because my faith makes it easier.
And Signym, just on a side note:
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Well, since scientists have been discovering a lot of planets lately... and will probably discover more as our ability to detect small objects in space improves.. how does that square with your estimate?
I think you misunderstand. Heard of the thing how it is possible for all the air molecules in a room to move into the corner of the room, and everyone to suffocate? Its sort of an entropy argument. Total Entropy doesnt always decrease, but only because the laws of probability say they should. If you stared long enough at that glass of spilt milk, it JUST might unspill itself.
The probability of that happening is something like 1 in a billion billion billion (probably a few more billions) years. My example was something of the same idea.
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Quote:Not really. Other than that you're more "comfortable" with ID. There is a serious miscommunication going on here.
Looking at current evolution theory, I find that it IS flawed, macroevolution is still to be explained, and I have rather lengthy and thick biology textbooks that support this. (Recent too.)
Yes. There is massive evidence supporting the evolution theory, but there are just niggly little things that just bother me. I absolutely love the theory, I think that the evidence weaves well with the theory. It just happens that I'm more comfortable with ID. People, do you see what I've been trying to get at?
Quote:You say you don't ignore science... but then it seems as if you say you DO ignore science, especially when it makes you uncomfortable. So I'm not really sure WHAT to derive from your post. Likely this is a matter of defintion, like "testable" and "proveable". For example, I suspect when you say you don't "ignore" you mean that you are not "ignorant of" science. When you talk about "science" you may be talking about the "a priori" assumptions behind science. Can I put some words in your mouth, and you tell if if I'm even close?
I don't hate science, I love it in fact. Please don't say that I'm ignoring science, because I'm not. There IS a chance that science is wrong, and I'd like to take that chance, simply because my faith makes it easier. It's just that I'm more comfortable with ID
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I don't ignore science because I'm an ignoramus. I know all about various scientific hypotheses. Many of them are sound (like the theory of gravity) and the theory of evolution even seems to do a decent- not complete, but decent- job of explaining the facts. I reject science. And the reason why I reject science is because I'm uncomfortable with the relentless materialism of science, the a priori assumptions of science which state there is ONLY the physical world, and that the ONLY way to truly know something is to be able to test ideas against the physical world. The Creator is untestable in the scientific sense, and -being untestable- is relegated to non-existance in science. My a priori assumption is that there IS a Creator. Since a priori assumptions are all equal (they can neither be found logically valid or not, that's what makes them "a priori") I reject the materialistic foundation of science and choose to believe in the Creator.
Is that about right?
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Quote:I'm really not sure what you're trying to say. Are you trying to say that the possibility of planet formation is very small, but that in a few billion years it can and does happen, albeit rarely? (Similar to a glass of milk unspilling itself?)
I think you misunderstand. Heard of the thing how it is possible for all the air molecules in a room to move into the corner of the room, and everyone to suffocate? Its sort of an entropy argument. Total Entropy doesnt always decrease, but only because the laws of probability say they should. If you stared long enough at that glass of spilt milk, it JUST might unspill itself.
The probability of that happening is something like 1 in a billion billion billion (probably a few more billions) years. My example was something of the same idea.
Well, that was the whole point of looking for planets in the first place- to see whether the formation of planets was a common event (ie there is a mechanism that creates planets) or whether it was rare- a "thermodynamic" event caused by chance. The fact that many stars- even binaries- appear to have planets associated with them implies that there is some sort of consistent mechanism at work. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what the big deal is. You can make the argument that star formation is also a "thermodynamic" event, and yet here we are- surrounded by countless stars. Something other than "thermodynamics" is at work. It's this kind of observation that sets off the whole cycle of scientific enquiry.
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