Another anti-war movie bombs!
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Quote:HK....the first thing you've ever said that disappointed me...
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh wait, Serenity didn't do too badly, but then Joss had to dumb that baby down for the multiplexes.
Sad Chrisisall
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Quote:Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away? What is so hard to work out about this sentence:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I don't understand if you are just kidding or are really that dumb.
Against their will?? Are you saying they signed their contracts against their will? Are you saying they are too stupid to read the contract they signed? Are you saying the Armed Forces should not exercise the contracts that each member voluntarily signed? Are you saying they should be dishonorable and not honor thier commitment, making their word and their signature worthless, meaning they are less than a man? This is ho9w the post-Clinton contracts work. They could just get out by stating they are gay - what's the problem with that, other than being also dishonorable.
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and that 81,000 troops have been stop lossed, or in other words had their contracts extended against their will, and were returned to Iraq.
His objection wasn't that the soldiers didn't honour their contracts, it's that the Government didn't.
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Quote:Well, starship troopers didn't show direct democracy, it showed a tacit fascist government. The government controlled who would be voted in, by controlling who would vote.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I like to think of it as direct democracy one step further. People would have to make a informed decision and support that choice. Have you read Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers.... there is a line saying they would refuse no volunteers. If you want to serve, a job within your ability will be found for you. Too old for combat service, well someone has to count mess kits and that frees up that guy.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:HK....the first thing you've ever said that disappointed me...
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Oh wait, Serenity didn't do too badly, but then Joss had to dumb that baby down for the multiplexes.
Sad Chrisisall
Quit your pouting, you know it's true.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
The only people that have a right to criticize the soldiers are other soldiers.
Good post, Avengingwatcher, but I have issues with your closing statement.
If civilian opinion is worthless, than supporting the troops doesn't mean much. I can criticize the president without becoming a president, I can criticize a soldier, or a woman, without having to BE one.
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
You are OBVIOUSLY not a military person. Let me explain what stop loss means to you since you probably have no idea. It means that they are extended involuntarily BEYOND the length of the contract because as a soldier you actually have no rights. You are officially property in the eyes of the government, which is why when you get in a fight with a solider you are charged with destruction of government property. ALSO there are clauses which are twisted so that your individual unit can deny your ability to leave. I personally know people who have had at least 2 years added to the length of their contract over the 8 years that they sign up for. There is no such thing as a 3 year or 5 year term. It is 8 years no matter what. You do your active term and then active reserve, then inactive reserve your last two years, unless you are active for six years or more, after that it is a breach of contract to stop loss past this. Technically it is illegal under our current law to say that you can serve four year terms, because it is a lie. However, because it is our us military there will never be a repercussion against it. Also what planet are you from? Individual units can decide not to kick you out for being gay, and you have to go through a review board with some possible jail time depending upon your unit. Also just as a point of reason... the armed forces say that you can have terms of service. I actually never found out that you were in for 8 years until well afterwards, there is also a period where you can get out of the military with no negative repercussions, however the military will illegally refuse to let you leave. The fact that the majority of the people who are in the military are at best only high school educated, you can get a waiver for that, how could you honestly expect them to read the hundreds of documents that they are forced to sign in repetition over and over when they sign up, much less understand the implications of said legalese? I love our boys and girls fighting over there and too many of them have come home with flags draped over them, how dare you try to sully the good names of soldiers who do their duty and expect that the military will give them the same respect, you know what? screw this. you are a simpleton with no understanding of what it takes to be a solider in a combat unit, under constant stress in a war that you disagree with. How dare you insult our soldiers, jewelstaitefan? That is what you are doing, calling them cowards because they want the military to honor it's contracts, because they don't even understand what they are fighting for, because they want to be able to see their families. The only war that this can be equated to is Vietnam and you are doing the same thing that the "liberals" did back then. It is just wrong to attack soldiers who have been places and seen things you wouldn't even begin to understand you little panty-waist. Exactly how is it so different from a draft if you are forced to go to war over and over with no possibility of release. You realize that the US Army involuntarily extended my unit until 2025? How would you like you 4 year commitment to turn into a lifetime jackass? Yeah that's right you have no idea what I'm talking about so shut the hell up. For the rest of you, I am no against war, hell I was for the war in Afghanistan, remember that? Likewise I was for Bosnia and I am for moving into Darfur. What the hell though? The jackass in the white house didn't like what he heard from Shinseki so he made him resign and found a lackey who would fight in Iraq. Iraq was and is nothing more than a personal vendetta by a moron who couldn't even hit oil in the desert when he was with a Saudi. This war is illegal, there was no authorization for it and I can not for the life of me understand why we are still there. We have a president who has never been elected (appointed twice, and he lost the popular vote), has been plagued by constitutional breaches, espouses torture and moronic national policies and then doesn'tNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Well, starship troopers didn't show direct democracy, it showed a tacit fascist government. The government controlled who would be voted in, by controlling who would vote.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I like to think of it as direct democracy one step further. People would have to make a informed decision and support that choice. Have you read Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers.... there is a line saying they would refuse no volunteers. If you want to serve, a job within your ability will be found for you. Too old for combat service, well someone has to count mess kits and that frees up that guy.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
I was referring to my idea of if you vote to support the war you could be on the draft list when I said direct democracy, the line from starship troopers was only meant to suggest that they could draft anyone who supports this cause, regardless of age or ability. Imagine Hero sent to Iraq, with his background as a prosecutor he could be assigned to investigate any number of incidents...
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Did IQ's drop sharply while I was away? What is so hard to work out about this sentence:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
I don't understand if you are just kidding or are really that dumb.
Against their will?? Are you saying they signed their contracts against their will? Are you saying they are too stupid to read the contract they signed? Are you saying the Armed Forces should not exercise the contracts that each member voluntarily signed? Are you saying they should be dishonorable and not honor thier commitment, making their word and their signature worthless, meaning they are less than a man? This is ho9w the post-Clinton contracts work. They could just get out by stating they are gay - what's the problem with that, other than being also dishonorable.Quote:?
and that 81,000 troops have been stop lossed, or in other words had their contracts extended against their will, and were returned to Iraq.
His objection wasn't that the soldiers didn't honour their contracts, it's that the Government didn't.
No, the government honored the contract. The contract is an 8 year contract. The contract states that (for most enlistees) their "active duty" portion is for a specified amount of time, such as 2 years or 3, 4, 6 years, and I think 8 years active duty contracts are no longer, but I'm not sure. The remainder of the 8 years is called "inactive duty" from which the Service can, at any time which the Congress approves, can convert to "active Duty", or extending the "active duty" portion within the parameters of the contract. Your option to "not volunteer" ends when you sign the contract to be subjected to the inactive recall utilized in the "stop loss" procedure.
The contract is written in English. When I read my contract (4 years active, 4 years inactive) I asked questions to more fully understand the parts I thought I understood, but was give better clarification of. If you don't understand what you are signeing, you shouldn't sign it.
And for those whiners complaining that the contract is in legalese, sorry, but that is written in English, and don't blame us if you are illiterate.
For those whiners comlaining that us United States Veterans should not talk about what we know while you are spewing lies in this thread, you should be ashamed of yourself.
There are a number of ways the Armed Forces can activate inactive reserves (called "extending duty" in this thread). One is if you commit a crime - you can have 20 years of hard labor at Leavenworth even after your 8 year contract expired. All the provisions of possible potential extentions and recalls and activation of inactive reserves are spelled out in your contract.
For those of you complaining that the government exercised the contractual provisions in the contracts signed by the enlisted personnel, that is a dishonorable view of those trying to get out of their contractual obligations.
For those who say they are compelled to fulfill their contractual obligations "against their will" you must realize it was "their will" which lead them to sign the contract, and attempting to evade the contractual obligations 4 or 6 years later is a poor excuse. This would more commonly be called "weaseling out of" their end of the bargain. They made a deal, signed a contract with all these provisions and possibilities and potentialities, and now they think they should be able to weasel out of it? The Services cannot predict at any point in time what wars, conflicts, or other strifes will occur in the upcoming 4 years or 8 years, therefore each of these contracts include the provisions and clauses detailing what will happen, and which authority must enact approving actions - usually the Congress must enact specific language for these contractual clauses to become effective. You should be happy to know your Democrat controlled Congress has been doing just that.
Additionally, if these morons were so intent on sleeping through American History class tha
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There always be movies that people do not like or about subjects that are unliked, take Broke Back Mountain. Not everyone likes gays.
I serviced for twenty-three years in the military, now I am a first responder and firefighter. I was in Iraq a few days after the start of the war. Been to Korea, where the war never really ended, Bosina where I saw people run out of villages because they were of a driffent ethnic group.
I am glad that I do not live in that type of country, the US is not perfect but is it better than most.Be thankful for the service members, for they (no matter how long they serve) make it possible to have these types of discussions. Look at other countries where the freedom of speech is not allowed.
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Snow white will be the next crash?
old thread from the NeoCon Bush years
a flop of flops these days seem to be those degenerate DEI Lebso Gay Tranny messages
I could happily watch another Anti-War film as long as those Directors make 'Art' or something entertaining
Dances With Wolves, Easy Rider, Lebowski
great movies...did NeoCons the Cuckservative perverted ChickenHawks hate them because they were 'Anti-War'...who knows
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