The Worst President in US History?
POSTED BY: piratenews
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 4, 2026 09:45
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Frem,
Thanks for both posts....they were worth reading.
I haven't abandoned FDR from my top five just yet, but his detractions do need to be weighed, and I need to learn a lot about other Presidencies...
actually Adams(the miniseries) did come down pretty close to the information you laid out, except that they made it seem like his signing of the sedition acts was a great moral struggle within him, and that he spurned Hamilton BECAUSE he thought Hamilton was going too far.
Then Hamilton dropped him.
I wondered when watching it how accurate that was. Your take might make more sense, especially considering that Adams did, even according to the mini-series, attempt to have the title "His Excellency" applied to the President...
speaking of which,
there's a book on Washington called "His Excellency" which I thought was kind of an offensive twisting considering how such titles were spurned by congress(and if the miniseries was right about this, by Washington himself), but I haven't read it, and maybe there's some reasonable explanation for picking the title.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Well, back then the CIA was tossing out all kinds of plans to get us boiled down into wars, not the least of which was NORTHWOODS, which resulted in the firing of Lemnitzer and damn near lead to the dismissal of McNamara, which if you ask me, would have been a good thing.
Of particular interest would be NSAM 170, but *good luck* finding a copy as it seems to now be retroactively classified and unavailable, there's a chance for PN to impress if he wants to bother digging it up.
NORTHWOODS was not supposed to EVER see the light of day, but somebody in NSA leaked it, hoping to prevent 9/11.
Clearly NORTHWOODS is not only the Pentagon/CIA confession to 9/11, but also a confession to the CIA/Pentagon murder of JFK.
NSAM 170 probably was related to NORTHWOODS, perhaps JFK's veto of it, with added footnotes saying how insane and treasonous that plan was.
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NSAM 170 - Title: Intelligence Collection???
www.milnet.com/nsam/nsam.htm
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/NSAMs.
htm
www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsam-jfk/index.html
NSAM 170 - Title: Classified
www.cryptome.org/nsc-docs.htm
CIA/NSA/NRO Google has cleaned the planetary servers so only 5 links show for "NSAM 170".
"National security memorandum 170" shows zero hits.
Internet2 is coming online. What did 1984 call it? Enjoy your lobotomy. I'm forgetting now...
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And don't even get me started on Kissinger, the devils own imp, the only reason that sumbitch is still alive is cause hell won't take him.
-Frem
At least Heinz Kissinger got his own action figure and TV toon show. And Peter Sellers got to play him. Does that make him cool?
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Well, as the man said...
"Everything goes somewhere, and I go everywhere."
Remember, there was a time this shit WASN'T classified.
170 was actually more along the lines of "Do your job and quit screwing with the populace or I'll have your ass." - but all you got for that is me sayin it, which wouldn't be good enough for me, and certainly shouldn't be good enough for you.
As for Scoops documents, while potentially incriminating in minor ways, it was nothing they'd be hung for, neither - just a matter of the step by step plan the NeoCons have followed, up to and including a draft of something verymuch like the Patriot Act, and suggestions on FEMA's role in "reducing related civil unrest."
The whole concept of intel-share clearing houses, what they're calling "Fusion Centers" was in there too, and damn me for not thinking to photocopy them, coulda made a bundle selling em to tabloids, meh.
At the time they were relatively obscure and forgotten, from a period of history no one really wanted to remember the awful details of, and only a really smart cracker would have thought to run a cleanup in that kinda detail...
Ergo, that would NOT have been Big Daddy Bush, but rather more likely ole Bill Colby, who, conveniently capped it when certain questions started sneaking up on him and his cohorts.
While I'd rather have him around to answer those questions, I kinda feel better with Colby pushing up the daisies, because like Rumsfeld, he was that rarest of beasts, a smart, competent Straussian who knew what he was doing, and those are damn dangerous.
Love the Kissinger doll, that's priceless, heh.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Bush Lite the worst ever, nah. Not by a long shot.
The man won the general election in 2000, fair and square.
He defended our honor by going after Sadam Hussien and finished the job his father started (remember Mission Accomplished?) after the cowards attacked us in 9/11.
He helped to create the Patriot Act that bolstered our Constitution.
His administration exposed Valerie Plame for not finding the Weapons of Mass Destruction (have we found those yet, I'm sure they're there somewhere.
Boy that Saddam sure is sneaky).
He created the Homeland Security Adminstration and the Terror Alert color system so we would know when to be afraid.
He helped to capture the sons of bitches who flew planes into our Twin Towers, didn't he?
Well, let's see, oh yeah he sent troops into Iraq and kicked you-know-what. He said so. You know, because of WMDs.
He kept his promise that the first responders of 9/11 would be taken care of, didn't he?
Well, he surely kept his promise about no draft. That one I know for sure. Of course, our brave men and women of the armed forces have to serve several tours of duty, but he kept his promise.
Homeland Security responded real quick when Katrina hit New Orleans. He even went and toured the devastation, in a helicopter and everything.
The government did a great job there. Right?
So now way he's the worst. Well, he may be in line waiting his turn for the prize, but he's not THE worst. So lay off of him. History, smishtory he's way smarter than his dad ever was. He's got a good sense of humer too.
Yay, Prez. I wish we could have 4 more years.
"Strange days indeed, most peculiar momma" John Lennon
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He even went and toured the devastation, in a helicopter and everything.
When Bush did a fly-by of the flooded and devastated New Orleans in Air Force One, I had this image of him leaning out the window and asking, "Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?"
Let them eat cake, indeed!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Let the war crimes tribunals begin:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html
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To Biden's credit he did end that long near endless war
...but maybe its the way it was finished
Biden defends disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal, insists he was against the war from the beginning
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10304519/Biden-defends-disast
rous-Afghanistan-withdrawal-insists-against-war-beginning.html
Fact check: Biden says he opposed Afghanistan war from 'the beginning'
https://www.wral.com/fact-check-biden-says-he-opposed-afghanistan-war-
from-the-beginning/20040493/
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Joe Biden to visit 911 Hijacker islamist state of Saudi Arabia and mend ties with ‘pariah’ state
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/03/joe-biden-visit-saud
i-arabia-mend-ties-pariah-state/
100 days in, fate of Biden's face-off with Putin over Ukraine still uncertain
https://yahoo.com/gma/100-days-fate-bidens-face-173424428.html
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little Bush is still worse than Joe Biden
Neoconservatives in U.S. Foreign Policy under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush: Voices behind the Throne
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/book/neoconservatives-us-foreign-policy-u
nder-ronald-reagan-and-george-w-bush-voices-behind-the
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
little Bush is still worse than Joe Biden
That's a tough one.
So very many different arguments for why one is worse than the other. Some would be surprised how much of those reasons overlap. Others might not be.
I think my final verdict would be that as individuals, Joe Biden* is a better man than GWB. But the entire shitshow clown circus that they've been running for 4 years just feels like a bad nightmare that everyone is finally waking up from.
If it weren't for the Patriot Act and the creation of DHS, I'd have to say that Joe Biden* and his administration as a whole is the clear winner, but I just can't bring myself to do that with how much the American People's freedom was eroded while Bush was President.
If Trump seriously wants to show he loves America, maybe somebody ought to suggest finally repealing the Patriot Act as well as any of the powers and additional taxpayer dollars to start up new agencies they granted themselves with it.
And then he can give Snowden the pardon he should have gotten from Trump 8 years ago.
And if by chance Trump needs a little persuading about this, maybe somebody could suggest that they couldn't think of a better way to say Fuck You to the 250 Lincoln Project NeoCons who crossed over and lined up behind Kamala and showed everyone in America where the real line in the sand was.
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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.
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