Elections; 2024
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Quote:My real feelings are that Trumptards are full of shit, but falsely believe they are full of wisdom/virtue/competency/wholesomeness. The internal contradiction is why the private lives of Trumptards (including Trump's) are a mess.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Not that you're going to live long enough to see 2028, Kevin, but you're not helping Democrats win any elections going forward being just as wrong this as you've ever been about everything else.
Let's see what your real feelings on the issue are.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Voters did indeed reject Kamala Harris over frustration with the Biden economy, but voters across the world are throwing out incumbents due to outrage over a very broad array of economic conditions. In Japan, inflation barely raised its head after the pandemic, and yet the reigning conservative government just took its biggest electoral hit in decades as its economy slips in and out of recession. The German economy hasn’t grown since the pandemic, and voters appear ready to oust the ruling center-left coalition as soon as they can. The U.K. is on its fourth prime minister since the pandemic and seems eager for a fifth.
The point here is not that the Biden administration was powerless to fight inflation—merely that every economic path out of the pandemic appears to have been durably unpopular. Much of the postmortem analysis of Biden’s economic performance amounts to a kind of wonked-up wishcasting: appeals to pet policies that would not have meaningfully restrained inflation, and which almost certainly would have generated a different set of unpleasant economic consequences. Democrats were not doomed from day one to lose the 2024 election, but getting them over the top would have required better politics from President Joe Biden, whatever the economics.
The Wall Street Journal lays out the standard conservative case against Biden, citing his $1.9 trillion COVID relief bill from early 2021 as the original sin that condemned Democrats to failure. But the Journal’s own numbers tell a different story, attributing only 0.6 percent of the total inflationary surge across 2021 and 2022 to Biden’s spending package. Inflation peaked in the summer of 2022 at 9.1 percent, meaning Biden barely added anything to the overall path of prices—a finding consistent with the prevailing consensus among economists. “The bottom line is that inflation’s rise and fall reflected primarily global drivers,” the International Monetary Fund concluded in September. Absent Biden’s stimulus, growth would have been weaker, unemployment higher, and wages lower—but prices would have been maddeningly high anyway.
Those knocking Biden for overspending, meanwhile, have been reluctant to detail just what they would have cut from what was indeed an ambitious economic agenda. Matthew Yglesias bemoans Biden’s supposed lack of urgency on inflation but can’t cite a fiscal misstep beyond student-debt forgiveness—a policy that the Supreme Court blocked, and which another student-debt hard-liner, the economist Jason Furman, calculated would have contributed only 0.2 or 0.3 percent to inflation anyway.
The problem with ripping Biden’s spending, of course, is that it was generally economically important and politically popular, to the extent that the public actually knew about it. Before Biden had even entered office, Democrats were framing the 2021 Senate runoffs in Georgia as a contest over an additional round of $1,400 stimulus checks—if Democrats won the seats, they’d use the resulting Senate majority to send cash to households, and they did. Biden’s opening stimulus legislation included not only those $1,400 victory checks but also one of his most successful policies: an expansion of the child tax credit from $2,000 per child to $3,600, ultimately reducing childhood poverty by 30 percent, to an all-time low. The program was so effective that both Harris and Trump campaigned on reviving it.
Even Biden’s sharpest intraparty critics on his opening stimulus legislation—Furman and perpetually perturbed economist Larry Summers—ultimately supported trillions of dollars in subsequent Biden spending on infrastructure, domestic microchip factories, and investments in clean energy technology. These bills were not written by progressive activists hopped up on TikTok, but rather negotiated with Senate Republicans and conservative Democrat Joe Manchin of West Virginia.
More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/inflation-pandemic-spendin
g-biden.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafi
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UFOs or UAPs are in the news again
Multiple Drone Incursions Just Occurred Over USAF Fighter Base In England
Take the cash, theft and stealing and then dump it into your bank account in Montreal Canada
A former county treasurer pleaded guilty on Thursday to charges of embezzlement by a public official, money laundering and tax evasion after stealing more than $38 million in county funds between 2012 and 2024 to renovate her ranches, buy at least 20 cars and pay for personal expenses for herself and her family. Elizabeth Gutfahr served as the elected treasurer of Santa Cruz County, Arizona, from 2014 through April 12, 2024. During some of that time, she transferred funds from Santa Cruz County bank accounts to her personal Wells Fargo Bank account and a Bank of Montreal account.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-county-treasurer-pleads-guilty-2138
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Banning ideas and authors is not a ‘culture war’ – it’s fascism
Yeah. So why have you Democrats been doing it for the last 6 years?
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The Culture War might be One thing, I don't really follow any Team A vs Team B stuff, Left vs Right, Conservative vs Liberal I just don't follow it much
However the Earth is back into the era of DUCK AND COVER warnings and vids
Nukes?
How to survive a nuclear attack as US government shares chilling warning
https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/155746/fema-issues-updated-nu
clear-attack-survival-steps-world-war-3-fears-intensify
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Originally posted by second:
My real feelings are that Trumptards are full of shit, but falsely believe they are full of wisdom/virtue/competency/wholesomeness. The internal contradiction is why the private lives of Trumptards (including Trump's) are a mess.
Agreed TWO; but the problem includes the democrats pushing for, and insisting people accept, all this gender change nonsense allowing boys who decide they are girls, into locker rooms with actual 10 year old girls. Parents are against it. Democrats have turned the boy's problems' with gender confusion into everybody's problem. They've also turned female sports into a farce. Once male athletes, are beginning to dominant those at the top of female sports. Overnight, we've gone from two genders and or being gay, which I have no problem with, to unlimited genders made up by people with serious mental health issues. That, I have a problem with. And, the public is not allowed to have an opinion about all of this. I have a problem with that.
The democrats in the last 40 years have gone from a party for the working class, to the party of elitists. Professors in their Ivory towers dictating instead of representing. Add to that the transfer of wealth for these past forty years from the middle class to the top .001 %. It has been devastating. That said, while the democrats have dropped the ball, the republicans are the party responsible for this shift in wealth. The working class with realize this again when the dems stop fucking about.
The democrats are seeing the problem and are starting to react to it. They are beginning to move back to the middle. And as Trump and Musk destroy any benefits afforded to the working class over the years, the dems will get the voters back.
I just hope the damage is minimal. Examples; Kennedy being anti science leading to a brain drain from America because science grants go away. Or people no longer wanting to invest in the United States, build factories and such, because Trump deported the work force. Or, creates even more distrust in the justice department. The rule of law in America is what draws investors here. They feel as though their investments are safe.
Two years, two years before we will know.
T
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Originally posted by second:Quote:My real feelings are
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Not that you're going to live long enough to see 2028, Kevin, but you're not helping Democrats win any elections going forward being just as wrong this as you've ever been about everything else.
Let's see what your real feelings on the issue are.
Nobody asked you.
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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.
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Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
My real feelings are that Trumptards are full of shit, but falsely believe they are full of wisdom/virtue/competency/wholesomeness. The internal contradiction is why the private lives of Trumptards (including Trump's) are a mess.
Agreed TWO; but the problem includes the democrats pushing for, and insisting people accept, all this gender change nonsense allowing boys who decide they are girls, into locker rooms with actual 10 year old girls. Parents are against it. Democrats have turned the boy's problems' with gender confusion into everybody's problem. They've also turned female sports into a farce. Once male athletes, are beginning to dominant those at the top of female sports. Overnight, we've gone from two genders and or being gay, which I have no problem with, to unlimited genders made up by people with serious mental health issues. That, I have a problem with. And, the public is not allowed to have an opinion about all of this. I have a problem with that.
The democrats in the last 40 years have gone from a party for the working class, to the party of elitists. Professors in their Ivory towers dictating instead of representing. Add to that the transfer of wealth for these past forty years from the middle class to the top .001 %. It has been devastating. That said, while the democrats have dropped the ball, the republicans are the party responsible for this shift in wealth. The working class with realize this again when the dems stop fucking about.
The democrats are seeing the problem and are starting to react to it. They are beginning to move back to the middle. And as Trump and Musk destroy any benefits afforded to the working class over the years, the dems with get the voters back.
I just hope the damage is minimal. Examples; Kennedy being anti science leading to a brain drain from America because science grants go away. Or people no longer wanting to invest in the United States, build factories and such, because Trump deported the work force. Or, creates even more distrust in the justice department. The rule of law in America is what draws investors here. They feel as though their investments are safe.
Two years, two years before we will know.
T
Most of what you're saying here is nonsense straight out of what will soon be known as "formerly MSNBC", and the next four years will prove that.
But good on you for recognizing some of Democrat's biggest problems right now. Most of the media either hasn't figured any of this out yet or they're just lying to you like they always do.
Here's hoping the next four years are a lot better than the last four were. I don't think Democrat voters enjoyed them all that much more than Republicans did.
At least I enjoyed the 4 years Trump was President while you guys were losing your minds. I intend to enjoy these next four too. I wonder if you will continue to lose your minds for the next 4 years, or maybe you'll do something more productive with your time.
I'm hoping you guys can chillax a bit this time.
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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.
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Quote:I'm nowhere near the median voter, and the question is how they feel. The answer, I believe, is that they often find liberal extremes scarier than conservative extremes, so when the extreme left gains influence they'll gravitate naturally toward conservatism even if it's also (or more) extreme. And it's mostly related to the mere existence of influential liberal extremes, not whether Democratic politicians actively endorse them. If they don't actively condemn them — yes, the dreaded Sister Souljah moment — then they're implicated and conservatives win. This is what happened in 2024.
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
My real feelings are that Trumptards are full of shit, but falsely believe they are full of wisdom/virtue/competency/wholesomeness. The internal contradiction is why the private lives of Trumptards (including Trump's) are a mess.
Agreed TWO; but the problem includes the democrats pushing for, and insisting people accept, all this gender change nonsense allowing boys who decide they are girls, into locker rooms with actual 10 year old girls. Parents are against it. Democrats have turned the boy's problems' with gender confusion into everybody's problem. They've also turned female sports into a farce. Once male athletes, are beginning to dominant those at the top of female sports. Overnight, we've gone from two genders and or being gay, which I have no problem with, to unlimited genders made up by people with serious mental health issues. That, I have a problem with. And, the public is not allowed to have an opinion about all of this. I have a problem with that.
T
The choice between two scary extremes is usually a move to the right
https://jabberwocking.com/the-choice-between-two-scary-extremes-is-usu
ally-a-move-to-the-right/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Donald Trump won the election. Now he’s losing it.
On Nov. 5, Americans hired Donald Trump to do three things: put more money into their pockets; lower prices for gas, groceries and rent and restore order at the southern border.
Trump was not hired to gut the Justice Department, abolish the FBI, pardon the Jan. 6 rioters, weaken our intelligence agencies, eliminate the Department of Education or “go wild on health.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-donald-trump-won-the-e
lection-now-he-s-losing-it/ar-AA1uJ6Ma?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=13563d4b6cd045a5aff5cde246dcfb7b&ei=126
tick tock
T
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Quote:I'm nowhere near the median voter, and the question is how they feel. The answer, I believe, is that they often find liberal extremes scarier than conservative extremes, so when the extreme left gains influence they'll gravitate naturally toward conservatism even if it's also (or more) extreme. And it's mostly related to the mere existence of influential liberal extremes, not whether Democratic politicians actively endorse them. If they don't actively condemn them — yes, the dreaded Sister Souljah moment — then they're implicated and conservatives win. This is what happened in 2024.
Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
My real feelings are that Trumptards are full of shit, but falsely believe they are full of wisdom/virtue/competency/wholesomeness. The internal contradiction is why the private lives of Trumptards (including Trump's) are a mess.
Agreed TWO; but the problem includes the democrats pushing for, and insisting people accept, all this gender change nonsense allowing boys who decide they are girls, into locker rooms with actual 10 year old girls. Parents are against it. Democrats have turned the boy's problems' with gender confusion into everybody's problem. They've also turned female sports into a farce. Once male athletes, are beginning to dominant those at the top of female sports. Overnight, we've gone from two genders and or being gay, which I have no problem with, to unlimited genders made up by people with serious mental health issues. That, I have a problem with. And, the public is not allowed to have an opinion about all of this. I have a problem with that.
T
The choice between two scary extremes is usually a move to the right
https://jabberwocking.com/the-choice-between-two-scary-extremes-is-usu
ally-a-move-to-the-right/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Yup, that's what I said.
T
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It will come as no surprise that every one of the progressive tax states voted for Kamala Harris and nearly all of the regressive tax states (8 out of 10) voted for Donald Trump.
In Minnesota the rich pay 70% more than the poor. In Florida the rich pay 79% less than the poor.
https://jabberwocking.com/in-nearly-every-state-the-poor-pay-a-higher-
tax-rate-than-the-rich/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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