What happened to music?
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UPDATED: Saturday, September 5, 2026 17:18
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It's been bothering me all day and into the night that there is another song that makes me think of Never Gonna Let You Go and vice versa, but I just couldn't dredge that up out of the depths of my memory...
I finally remembered what it was.
Christopher Cross - Best That You Can Do
Check out the intro to both right after each other. (They're both 14 seconds long)
I told you that I've got zero musical training, and I couldn't tell you what even a basic note was just by hearing it, but there are some real similarities here. There has to be some chord overlap between them. The break between the Chorus and Verse in both of the songs seem real familiar between the two as well. (1:13 on Cross / 1:35 on Mendez)
What I can tell though is that Best That You Can Do would be the "easy" version of Never Gonna Let You Go. My guess after a few listens to both of them is that there are about half as many chords in Christopher Crosses' song.
One might think that Cross "sampled" Mendez's song, but Best That You Can Do came out in 1981 and had Never Gonna Let You Go beat by 2 years. Maybe somebody was really digging what Cross was putting out and made it more complex?
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I told you that I've got zero musical training, and I couldn't tell you what even a basic note was just by hearing it, but there are some real similarities here.
You don't really need training, you have enough tools and experience to get going and say why they are similar
Rick Beato, the 'Wings of Pegasus' social media discussions you are already getting free training on the level of the college and university
Vocal you probably have some trained instinct hearing you don't know, pitch, tone, you know lyrics you sing you remember lines so you should be able to step outside yourself and do your own analysis
You know chords so you should have some kind of harmony, tempo, melodic tone, timing, know what blends with the bass and drum and your voice and 'sounds right'
Are you asking me to do some analysis...my ears will be different to yours just as we have different experiences of smell or touch and sights and taste for foods
Me I can layer like a DJ I don't sing, I can hold rhythm, play bass, piano chord or vamp, strum or pick something simple on guitar and loop it, I can play rhythm within rhythm a slow long line above or double time, triplets, or swing it or eights, a sixteenth fill underneath while holding a steady bear through the bars, your recorder I never played one but I have no fear to give one a go I seen one before I think the fingering is tricky with holes underneath but I would not fear a penny whistle or Native American Flute I can kind of read notes but slow.
I don't know many chords just tricks to make it seem like I play and I don't sing like you
People have different ears
RICK vid again
'I Admit... I Got Owned'
Rick Beato
Les Hall
maybe he rushed it got a little confused and played it the old J.S Bach way
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Ok I'll give it a go they have a similar wall of sound, a style, music is audio engineered almost in a fashionable way during a period of time a certain way as styles get into fashion or music...the point is to be popular to make money.
There's enough that makes very unique that makes songs not like each other, makes them very different
Passive Listening
Most songs start on the Root note or Tonic chord, your Solfège 'Do' note 'Do-re-mi'
I believe none of these songs begin on the Root note which adds to a feeling of exploration, uncertainty, dreamy, love, melancholic
MaJor is Do mi+ so played together on piano happyish
minor is Do -ma so played together makes it 'sad'
You can minor a scale, by moving along the Major and changing 'La' to your root note
LA TI do' re' mi' fa' so la' ...or maybe I should remove the caps and ' Apostrophe (’) symbol?
an inversion is taken from scales, you take a note from a chord and move it up or down to the Octave Above or Below
do re mi fa so la ti > up to next octave DO Re MI FA SO LA TI DO
on piano notes this is cdefagbCDEFAGB-
you take a note and put it one the bottom ... do mi so ...or ...DO MI SO
becomes 'mi so DO' its the same chord but a slightly different flavor
or you can go 'so DO MI' again same chord different inversion
ACE minor becomes
e A C
or
CEG Major becomes
e g C an inversion
The 'sus' chord removes the 'Third' which is a fancy name the Major/Minor note making the chord very mysterious
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What I can tell though is that Best That You Can Do would be the "easy" version of Never Gonna Let You Go. My guess after a few listens to both of them is that there are about half as many chords in Christopher Crosses' song.
So it seems you already well enough to explain the differences
if you really want to learn there is an archive of questions about theory and intervals and hearing and melodic writing
https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/99451/how-can-you-tell-if-a-
note-is-major-or-minor
These tunes are similar
However they are both Easy Listening Pop Rock with some minor jazz chords
maybe they hired the same audio engineering producer building in Calfornia or NYC and used the same tapes and cables and microphones?
maybe one of Rick Beato's friends set up the mics for both bands?...I don't think so but an Audio Engineer can find a 'New Sound' then every other studio guy will try copy that new hip and cool sound that is hot and selling
They both have Similar minor chords, similar Tempo 64, 70, 68 bpm ish but the tempo might be disguised with a lack of picking or lack of vamps or lacking fills, the true drum guitar beat is probably 136 ? The grove is somewhat like each other the Drum is Straight 4 on floor, but there is rhythm on the beat then maybe a little Funky or Latin off beat...Sergio if I remember feels more Latin off beat with melodic fill, maybe some type of Funky Rock fill, anticipation of the beat but they are 4/4 but both are Slow Sets, very Similar Chords, very similar straight 4 on floor with major sevenths maybe? seems like its D Major progression not far from 'G' then maybe similar sus or inversion or it goes to D minor F sharp to F and B to B flat...it could be A Major but then you have a B flat?
It sounds like there is a similar progression some where I'm not sure what it is E to A Major to D minor
and G natural..so is it 'modal' does it want to be Phrygian or Mixolydian does it have a tonal center? I would imagine some of the chords in both songs are exactly the same but not all will be the same.
the other second tune, I'm not sure if the song wants to be a D minor or is B-flat major, 'Never Gonna Let You Go' has too many strange chords for me to say 'That's It'
First song has 12 chords, its can be done
...Sergio has ...
I lost count at Rick Be
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Most people trying to figure it out in studio, go back to piano even a digital grpahic one on your screen because all of Western music is layered and wrote and laid out there on piano, even strange exotic Eastern chords and strange overseas melody can be found there.
You can probably teach a kid to '12 Bar Blues' on bass easy quick just 3 chords
1 - 4 - 5
the root notes Do Fa So with a 'blue note' in between
What's different that will have you lost strarting...maybe learning advanced chords or a Latin beat maybe but its becoming common ish in Texas Calfornia NYC that funky influence, jazz minor chord...an exotic scale but not as 'exotic' as it used to be. People from the Balkans play odd time very well, better than players in Britain or Aus or Canada or the USA, odd time is becoming a thing but it feels fake, it should be like a folk song or dance, you should still feel a swing or tap your foot or the melody something that grooves not an extra electronic beat forced into a machine
there is pro rock and progressive pop Nine Inch Nails, Zappa, Pink Floyd, Tool with their ass jokes, Alice in Chains, Genesis were deep into their new sound, progressive rock ...Björk she is very interesting but she's a bit oddish in a strange way and I'm a little ignorant of her sound and never played any of her stuff
Musical Themes, Video Game Hooks or Film Scores they can have an odd time signature or strange scale
Jazz or Swing Brubeck's Take Five
The reason I go back on piano is most guitarists I know can't tell me what they are playing they know its some type of G or E flat or C or A minor but can't really tell me unless they are trained, they know some lines and progressions without theory and don't know if its 'Sus' or an inversion not really sure on rhythm, they have an idea on harmony and timing and they know the idea they have it fits the song and sounds nice so that's where we try figure it out with bass or piano.
someone told me watch out for 'Shred' the stuff he teaches and says might be 'evil' or is it just music
Hungary Minor? or is it Romania
I AM DRACULA | Vampire Scale
Most hiphop is a few seconds of Clyde Stubblefield or John Bonham copied and looped
and because you showed me this guy
Wings of Pegasus again
analyses Elvis Presley's guitar playing
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Top 50 Rip Off Songs
https://www.watchmojo.com/video/id/59164
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Music is dead maybe or not....maybe but you still have spectacle and skill on you-tube style social media channels
Video games is where art is ...just... surviving now but under commercial need for sales.
High Art and Low Art debate
and Do you have to be financially successful to be 'Art'?
I also think 'Modern Jazz' started to suck, it became a style about nothing, play as many notes as possible as many tones, slow miserable song and boring solos, very formula smokey bar cafe, a style that climbed up its own AssholeOfFilth and yet some ask is jazz unpopular? jazz was originally dirty street music, white and blacks in dance halls, based on blues that was looked down upon then it became 'elite' and lost something?
Jazz tries to climb up its own ass and becomes so cliché it forgets it was like an old Country Blues Harmony song and it was the peoples folk music for a while
ask why people today only want oldies the people like only "old" styles of swing or blues or jazz?
Solos can get tiresome and people who like harmony and chords don't like the sound of dissonance also some Jazz people are terribly over rated as musicians.
Music possibly died with the teens buying simple pop and then people taking a brand like jazz too serious, it dies in every culture, with the death of the Baroque era, Max Steiner, Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong, the Classical Music Greats, Ennio Morricone, Leonard Bernstein, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Miklós Rózsa, Vangelis, Funky man Prince, the Early Rockers, some of the playing and composition is simple even for Classical style but it grabs, it sets a mood and Hollywood and Tv written music is 'catchy' so then when music forgets its job is to make people tap their foot to set a mood and entertain...although I can forgive the perfectionists like Prince or Leonard Bernstein having their hissy fits trying to get the people to play right temp and correct note.
California is now dead culturally, anyone on the net can see how crazy Commiefornia has become and won't move there just to meet other artists.
yeah sometimes music takes itself too serious but we should appreciate talents and composers and skill
and I do appreciate crazy works of a video game guy or a pop guy or a rock and roll or blues guy or written by a virtuoso like Niccolò Paganini
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Music is not dead. Different genres evolve into other things. You may have to go looking for say something like Punk but it is still around. Rock and roll evolved out of R&B and blues music.
And also for other styles of music you can find reels and jigs that still are played and danced to in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and New Brunswick. These were brought over by the Scots, Irish and even English immigrants to those parts of Canada. That music hasn't changed in over 100years. And you'll still find that style of music being played in Scotland, Ireland and yes England to this day.
In the deep South in the US, you can find reels and jigs that were brought there by settlers and are still played today with no changes to the music. And someone from the past would recognize it.
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A previously unknown piece of music composed by Mozart when he was probably in his early teens has been uncovered at a library in Germany
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/sep/19/previously-unknown-mozar
t-music-discovered-in-german-library
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Originally posted by SAVEWASH:
Oh, I couldn't agree with you more! I'm so tired of hearing the same 10-12 songs over and over instead of something new and original. When will they get a clue???
My rant's over, too.
"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."
They ask you when you come across things are posted, to give it a thumbs up if you find it helpful.
So, thumbs up. And I gotta say, I love your Avatar.
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and today the humor is gone but can be saved?
Country Sounds on the Violin
Billy Joel - My Life
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