Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?

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JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, August 29, 2024 12:00 AM

RFK and Tulsi think Kamala Harris is the worst of bad choices

Trump adds RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard to his transition team
https://abc7ny.com/donald-trump-adds-rfk-jr-tulsi-gabbard-transition-t
eam/15238950/

SIGNYM

Friday, September 6, 2024 5:29 AM

So, any honesty from SECOND?
THUGR?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, September 14, 2024 9:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.
Yes it is. Sorry.

Quote:
JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.
So, inflation is bad. Do you feel the same about more modest inflation rates, say 1%? Or is it just when it goes out if control? And I understand that inflation means that your currency is being devalued... it definitely discourages savings and promotes consumption... is there anything wrong with that? If so, why?
Not a "gotcha" question, just wanting to understand.

Quote:
Otherwise, every achievement that Biden has accrued has been a monumental success, depending upon your viewpoint.
The primary goals of President "My Boss" Obama, the other Democraps, Libtards, as well as Lord Darth Obiden, have been to destroy America,
Which means... what? Open the borders? De-industrialize? Destroy the family?
Quote:
shred the Constitution -
Aside from our Bill of Rights, the Constitution devolves many powers to the states. Is it these parts of the Constitution you're concerned about? Or something else? And what should be done to correct the situation?

Quote:
JSF: so everything Biden has done has been a rousing success. Including all of the wars that Obama has worked so hard on. Gifting $Billion of high-tech military hardware and weapons to Afghanistan, ISIL, Syria, Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthies, Lebanon, is merely one good example. Exiting Afghanistan without planning was horrible for America and the world, but great for Team My Boss.
Are you mainly concerned with the arming of enemies and terror groups? With wars in general?
Inquiring minds want to know!

Quote:
Republicans:
I will start with the largest failure in American history, the Ending of Constitutional America.
Abdicator-in-Chief Mike Pence refuse to perform his Constitutional Duties and Responsibilities on January 6th. 240 years of following The Constitution even in the same circumstances many times before, went up in smoke when he was too confused to read The Constitution and perform his duties. Perhaps worse, he still has not a clue that what he did was Unconstitutional, or that he was outright wrong.
Not aware of the part of the Constitution that he violated. Can you tell me which part?

Quote:
JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.
Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy. And then to wastefully spend every single penny, and even more.
If there were r

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Your post is confusing.

SIGNY: Yes it is. Sorry.

JSF: You use dishonestly vague terms like Dem and Rep, but then say President, and then after 2018.
So you are really asking about Trump and Biden, it seems.

Biden:
The casual observer would point out that, due to Bidenflation, 2024 showed the record high prices for Gold in May or April. (I have not confirmed this). Same for Stock Market - even though the Dow is only worth about 35K in Trump-era dollars, in Biden Bucks it counts up over 40K. This sorta ignores the negative effects of Bidenflation.

SIGNY: So, inflation is bad. Do you feel the same about more modest inflation rates, say 1%? Or is it just when it goes out if control? And I understand that inflation means that your currency is being devalued... it definitely discourages savings and promotes consumption... is there anything wrong with that? If so, why?
Not a "gotcha" question, just wanting to understand.

JSF: Otherwise, every achievement that Biden has accrued has been a monumental success, depending upon your viewpoint.
The primary goals of President "My Boss" Obama, the other Democraps, Libtards, as well as Lord Darth Obiden, have been to destroy America

SIGNY: Which means... what? Open the borders? De-industrialize? Destroy the family?

JSF: shred the Constitution -

SIGNY: Aside from our Bill of Rights, the Constitution devolves many powers to the states. Is it these parts of the Constitution you're concerned about? Or something else? And what should be done to correct the situation?

JSF: so everything Biden has done has been a rousing success. Including all of the wars that Obama has worked so hard on. Gifting $Billion of high-tech military hardware and weapons to Afghanistan, ISIL, Syria, Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthies, Lebanon, is merely one good example. Exiting Afghanistan without planning was horrible for America and the world, but great for Team My Boss.

SIGNY: Are you mainly concerned with the arming of enemies and terror groups? With wars in general?
Inquiring minds want to know!

JSF: Republicans:
I will start with the largest failure in American history, the Ending of Constitutional America.
Abdicator-in-Chief Mike Pence refuse to perform his Constitutional Duties and Responsibilities on January 6th. 240 years of following The Constitution even in the same circumstances many times before, went up in smoke when he was too confused to read The Constitution and perform his duties. Perhaps worse, he still has not a clue that what he did was Unconstitutional, or that he was outright wrong.

SIGNY: Not aware of the part of the Constitution that he violated. Can you tell me which part?

JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

JSF: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.

Huh?

Huh???

Quote:
JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a bala

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

JSF: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.
Huh?

Huh???

Quote:
JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a balanced budget. This means spending less dollars than were collected, planning to spend less than realistically expected to collect. Most years like this would result in Surplus Budget - thus reducing the Federal Debt - and perhaps occasionally spending slightly more due to unforseen circumstances - not as a matter of practice.

In this version of yourself, how do you see the Surplus Budget happening?
When? What plan? What circumstances?
Such a reasoned, sensible version of yourself cannot see the the EASIEST time for a Surplus Budget is when we have the record high revenues collected, as when Trump had them resulting from his tax cuts? If not during record high revenue collections, then when better to have a Surplus Budget?
During years of austerity? Are you insane?
Explain to us When a Surplus Budget should be occurring if not during years of greater revenue collections than any other time in our history.

I think we should first cut blatant waste, and I classify at least half of military and most of spook spending as money destined to go into somebody's pocket. Along with our bloated State Dept.

And there is a tremendous bureaucracy encrusted around DC. One that comes to mind is the HUD. I'm surd there are more.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.

SIGNY: I'm not going anywhere with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.

So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.

JSF: Trump
Failures. Reduce the Debt. Balance the Federal Budget, make a Surplus Federal Budget. Sure, he gave these topics lip service when campaigning, but I never voted for him because these were my key issues, and having seen him on TV shows, I conjured he was not serious, and would only use these as bargaining chips to be traded for the subjects he cared about more. I am so smart.

SIGNY: Understood. But IMHO balancing the budget so quickly would do more harm than good!

. . .

JSF: I was sidelined for weeks due to illness.
So let's try this one, to start.
I think we all understand by now that you believe in the parasitic government needing to confiscate every penny from hard working American Citizens, to suck the lifeblood from the economy.
Huh?

Huh???
Quote:
JSF: But let us pretend for a minute that you can conceive of the concept of a balanced budget. This means spending less dollars than were collected, planning to spend less than realistically expected to collect. Most years like this would result in Surplus Budget - thus reducing the Federal Debt - and perhaps occasionally spending slightly more due to unforseen circumstances - not as a matter of practice.

In this version of yourself, how do you see the Surplus Budget happening?
When? What plan? What circumstances?
Such a reasoned, sensible version of yourself cannot see the the EASIEST time for a Surplus Budget is when we have the record high revenues collected, as when Trump had them resulting from his tax cuts? If not during record high revenue collections, then when better to have a Surplus Budget?
During years of austerity? Are you insane?
Explain to us When a Surplus Budget should be occurring if not during years of greater revenue collections than any other time in our history.

I think we should first cut blatant waste,

Halt.
Full Stop.
I stipulated that we would pretend for a minute that you were actually interested in a Balanced Budget.
So, what year should we ever have a Balanced or Surplus Budget, if not the year(s) when we have record high revenues?

??
You can't answer?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 14, 2024 11:04 AM

You will never again in your life witness anything even close to a balanced budget in the United States by either party. We will never add less than 1 Trillion to the deficit per year going forward.

Live long enough and you'll be watching them add the current year's national debt every year. Or World War III before that happens.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 14, 2024 12:26 PM

Oh... and if anybody wants to know why I don't bother working beyond what I need, that's probably the biggest reason right there.

Even in a state making $7.25 minimum wage, I couldn't find a job making less per hour than I was making in 2019. My old job pays $3.50 more per hour than it did in 2019 right off the street, which is $4.50 more than what the starting pay was in late 2017.

By the time I go back to work, starting pay for a shit job in Indiana is going to be $20-25 per hour. Why work for half that now when I don't need it and I'm just losing money every year to Bidenflation?

Don't answer "The Stock Market", because that's all rigged and you're all going to be fucked.

I'll work when I need to.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

SIGNYM

Saturday, September 14, 2024 1:23 PM

JSF:

Quote:
In FY 2023, the federal government spent $6.13 trillion and collected $4.44 trillion in revenue, resulting in a deficit.

$4.4 trillion revenue
$6.13 trillion spent
$0.87 trillion interest payment
$0.82 trillion "defense" (Well, more actually, since Congress allocates more $$$ for "defense" than has been budgeted. Probably closer to $1 trillion.)
$1.3 trillion Social Security
$0.84 trillion Medicare
$0.92 trillion non-defense

These may not add up because the numbers were from different sources.

If we look at so-called defense and non-defense spending, we could probably beneficially come close to balancing the budget. I excluded Social Security because it us the one item where taxes come from people and go back to people. Medicare OTOH... a lot of that $ gets stuck in corporate profits.

FWIW ... no, I'm not a libertarian. Having looked at many economic and political systemz, I've come to realize that ANY system can be, and has been, corrupted. Libertatianism, IMHO, corrupts faster than most because there are no moral, legal, or practical limits to it. In order for libertarianism to function as I think it's supposed to, there must be healthy competition among relatively small economic units.

But POWER AND WEALTH CONCENTRATE. They don't disperse, they behave gravitationally... the more you have, the more you get. Power and wealth concentrate into fewer and fewer hands until you have the USA today... an oligarchy.

If a government has any function under libertarianism, aside from defending the borders and setting the general laws of society ... I imagine it would be to enforce competition. Unfortunately, since the one thing most businesses hate is competition, big businesses have the money and influence to continue monopolizing more and more.

It's a conundrum.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, September 14, 2024 2:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
FWIW ... no, I'm not a libertarian. Having looked at many economic and political systemz, I've come to realize that ANY system can be, and has been, corrupted. Libertatianism, IMHO, corrupts faster than most because there are no moral, legal, or practical limits to it. In order for libertarianism to function as I think it's supposed to, there must be healthy competition among relatively small economic units.

But POWER AND WEALTH CONCENTRATE. They don't disperse, they behave gravitationally... the more you have, the more you get. Power and wealth concentrate into fewer and fewer hands until you have the USA today... an oligarchy.

If a government has any function under libertarianism, aside from defending the borders and setting the general laws of society ... I imagine it would be to enforce competition. Unfortunately, since the one thing most businesses hate is competition, big businesses have the money and influence to continue monopolizing more and more.

It's a conundrum.

Our government has 2 jobs, and it's failed miserably at both of them.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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