Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Surely somebody has something positive say?
I'm not being facetious. I really don't pay THAT much attention to everything that goes on in DC.
Maybe beneficial laws were signed or something.
I'm sure somebody can chime in and remind us of the $35/mo. insulin price, which as a freshly minted LADA Diabetic I can state from personal experience is unequivocally false.
Add to that if you want to enjoy the trappings of disposable CGMs and Insulin Pumps that are marked up 2,000% from the cost of making them in China, which nobody ever lied about reducing the price of, you're going to more than quadruple the already insanely high monthly cost of living another day with Type I/LADA Diabetes in America. And despite the billions they make every year in profit, they can't even bother hiring Americans for their help lines when you run into problems... They outsource all of that to the same Indian Call Center buildings that also house the people scamming senior citizens in the US and UK out of their nest eggs on another floor of the building.
Even if you don't splurge for 1st class treatment, the $35/mo. lie doesn't even include other things that you will need to buy regularly just to live, like the needles/pen needle tips, the copious amounts of alcohol swabs you'll go through and insanely high priced disposable lancets and testing strips you're going to be burning through every day if you're sitting in coach.
NOTE: I don't live under any illusion that any of these prices will be reduced a single penny under a 2nd Trump Presidency. I'm just letting everyone know that this is just one more in a painfully protracted list of lies that came out of the current administration over the last 4 years.
Claims like these make for millions of collective likes on Twitter by the ignorant, especially when the Lying Legacy Media constantly boosts their signal. But in real life they're nothing short of vaporware and in a generation or two Big Pharma will be the reason that 99% of Americans have absolutely nothing to give to their children when they leave this life.
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Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.
Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.
For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.
And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.
So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?
I don't want to monopolize the thread.
Take your time, tell me what you think.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.
Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.
For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.
And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.
So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?
I don't want to monopolize the thread.
Take your time, tell me what you think.
That wasn't even a Biden* accomplishment. Trump got that ball rolling and would have done an excellent job completing it. Joe Biden* pulled out early and fucked everything up so bad that even polling by Lefty news outlets couldn't lie hard enough to pretend that Joe* ever recovered from that.
Don't even humor these goons and pretend that Afghanistan was a win for Biden*. All of those deaths and bloodshed and the instability of the region ever since are on the hands of every American who voted for Joe Biden* in 2020.
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Quote:It wasn't a win for Biden, it was a win for the USA, IMHO.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.
Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.
For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.
And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.
So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?
I don't want to monopolize the thread.
Take your time, tell me what you think.
That wasn't even a Biden* accomplishment. Trump got that ball rolling and would have done an excellent job completing it. Joe Biden* pulled out early and fucked everything up so bad that even polling by Lefty news outlets couldn't lie hard enough to pretend that Joe* ever recovered from that.
Don't even humor these goons and pretend that Afghanistan was a win for Biden*. All of those deaths and bloodshed and the instability of the region ever since are on the hands of every American who voted for Joe Biden* in 2020.
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Bush junior said 'Mission Accomplished' but that was incorrect, next under Obama t he war on terror was also officially declared over in May 2010 and oops starts again and then again in May 2013 its over new guys 'ISIS' its over its starting again or is it not? people have now marked down a date August 2021 as the end of the 'War On Terror' but with some small operations ongoing in small sites around the world, for the money making profits of the Military Industrial Complex maybe it seemed to replace the old 'Cold War' profits...is the War on Terror over now?? maybe its over, would seem its over now maybe until the truck bomb or next mass shooting in the USA were someone makes an islamist selfie video or terror attack in Europe? anyways there is Putin now and Russians are back
The trouble with Afghanistan is the political leadership was terrible, what was the ultimate goal? battles were won while costs seemed to go up over the years not down, there were a bunch of them who were basically been 'Bribed' to wear a pro-America Uniform but you could not control 100% of Afghanistan maybe 80%-90% and the Taliban was never too far away hiding inside a cave or within a town the Wars and Operations In Afghanistan Cost were rising, Costing America $250-400 Million Per Day I think it was 2 Trillion or more Trillions and going up and up added to the Debt. Jihadis of Afghanistan are stuck in a time warp these islamists they seem like in the Stone Age but seen it all creep by and fade away, the British Empire the Soviet–Afghan War. There was never even a formal 'Declaration of war by the United States' it was another of these endless operations or Undeclared wars
Maybe Trump would have done it better who knows but it was Biden and as terrible as it was with all those deaths and chaos it still just needed to end, what was the goal of Afghanistan other than some vague declared war on terror, when bin Laden was found in Pakistan that might have been an opportunity to quit?
As bad as everything was, as terrible as it looked that war could not go on forever.
Of course there were comparisons to the embarrassment of Vietnam
Saigon then, Kabul now: Afghanistan airport evacuation compared with fall of Saigon in Vietnam War
Vietnam made the Ford administration look stupid, but it would have been the same for any other President Democrat or Republican
I think it was a case of nobody could figure out what to do with Afghanistan, someone was going to get caught like ...Hot Potato Song that plays as children ruin around doing the 'musical chairs' party game...someone was going to be left exposed
The Iraq War WMD lies?
Iraq might not be the same as they admit it almost functioned somewhat under Saddam so after the US invasion it was a case of 'You Broke It You Bought It' if they had done a better job of rebuilding Iraq there might not have been a rise of ISIS or Islamic State of Iraq but Afghans are different
I think Afghanistan is different nobody, no country, no Empire has figured out what to do with it, maybe there is a leader but there are all different tribes and factions that kill each other within.
However the NYTimes
The Empire Stopper
Foreign powers have tried to control Afghanistan for three centuries.
web.archive.org/
web/20170829132644/ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/world/asia/afghanistan-graveyard-em
pires-historical-pictures.html
Rod Nordland has stated that "in truth, no great empires perished solely because of Afghanistan."
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I seem to recall that we funded the "mujahideen" (Osama bin Laden, altho not part of the Afghan mujahideen, was also there) to bring down the Soviet backed socialist government.
And that during our invasion we funded a diverse group of warlords (Hekmatyr comes to mind) and destabilized Aghanistan so thoroughly that many mountain communities were willing to back the Taliban, if only to stop the fighting.
The other thing I suspect is that the CIA was using Afghanistan to grow poppies and sell opium to fund their black ops, bc it seems wherever the CIA goes, drug running follows (SE Asia "Golden Triangle" opium, Contras and cocaine, Afghanistan and opium)
Also a tremendous amount of grift. I knew someone who knew someone who had been to Afghanistan during our war there. They said that all of the NGOs had big buildings on "Embassy Row" but that very little of the $$ made it out into the hinterlands for development.
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No Dems can think of any Repub achievements?
No Repubs can think of any Dem achievements?
OK, maybe it's too hard to give the opposing team any credit, and god forbid the opposition should actually CRITICIZE your team!
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So, if that's too painful, what about a little SELF criticism?
SIX, since you waded in... you said some Repubs sucked.
Who?
On what issues?
And why do you think what they did was wrong?
SECOND, do "your guys" always walk on water?
THUGR, I know you stepped away from something social. Was it BLM, or something else?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:It wasn't a win for Biden, it was a win for the USA, IMHO.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, here's a Biden positive: we got out of Afghanistan. (Thanks JAYNZE) It was ugly but IMHO ultimately necessary.
Now, I know that some of you think that some failures are in my list of successes, and some of my failures you might consider successes.
For example- bailing from Afghanistan. Some of you think that was wrong, that we should still be there, swinging for democracy and human rights.
And that's where the discussion gets interesting bc I asked you what you thought were successes and failures, and WHY.
So. Party and/or Presidential successes and failures? And, why?
I don't want to monopolize the thread.
Take your time, tell me what you think.
That wasn't even a Biden* accomplishment. Trump got that ball rolling and would have done an excellent job completing it. Joe Biden* pulled out early and fucked everything up so bad that even polling by Lefty news outlets couldn't lie hard enough to pretend that Joe* ever recovered from that.
Don't even humor these goons and pretend that Afghanistan was a win for Biden*. All of those deaths and bloodshed and the instability of the region ever since are on the hands of every American who voted for Joe Biden* in 2020.
You know I'm just as against American Imperialism and the war machine as you are, Sigs, but that was an absolute disaster with ripple effects we can't possibly imagine. We certainly aren't going to be told the truth about any of them as they're happening.
We never should have been there in the first place. But the fact is that we were... for decades. Extracting ourselves from that was a delicate situation, and there was a plan in place. But then "the most popular US President of all time" gets voted in and destroys everything like a bull in a china shop, including this.
It's quite possible that in the long run this was not a win for the USA, just because of how poorly it was handled.
And any possible good that would have come out of it was immediately destroyed when the administration and the war machine moved right on to Russia and continues to bankrupt America and it citizens. Then not too long afterward we get another preventable Middle East explosion.
It doesn't really matter. We're meddling harder than we've ever meddled before, and this time on 2 separate fronts. And the war machine just keeps getting bigger and growing stronger.
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SIX, since you waded in... you said some Repubs sucked.
Who?
On what issues?
And why do you think what they did was wrong?
Oh geez... You got 18 years of free time to listen?
"Some" Republicans? Try 95% of Republicans.
I used to call them Rethuglicans and the other side was the Demoncrats.
Both parties are absolute shit shows. I remember back way before my drinking got out of control regularly getting into arguments with Rappy and others like him all the time. How many times have you heard JSF call me a libtard in the last decade... I'm sure a lot of that is bleedover from how much I hated the Republican party when GWB was running the show.
I've probably made 25,000 posts on these boards since 2006, and at least 1/4 of them were critical of the Republicans and the Republican party.
For simplicity's sake, let's just say, that if it wasn't Trump or somebody Trump adjacent in the Republican party that made a decision, I probably was against said decision. And unlike the Ted-Bots and Wetwares and Nilbogs we've had here, I wasn't afraid to call out people I back when they made poor decisions too. I have had several threads on this board arguing Trump over things like his ignorant stance on Section 230.
Right now, for instance, I am no fan of any rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth in support of digital currency. Digital currency needs to be destroyed, not embraced. We are not some 3rd world country run by TechBro dildos on YouTube. Get that shit the fuck away from me.
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So, what was it about GWB that you hated so much?
The fact that he lied us into two expen$ive, prolonged, and ultimately counterproductive wars?
That he began the process of widespread warrantless surveillance by installing splitters into San Fran's AT&T comms servers?
That his admin and party had the so-called Patriot Act suspiciously written before 911?
That he was a meat puppet of Zionist neocons like Bolton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith, and Perle?
That he "renditioned" and tortured "enemy combatants", breaking the normal laws of war?
That he failed New Orleans after Katrina?
Or something else?
Take your time! I know you got stuff to do.
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