Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?
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This is the USA GINI Index from 1960 to 2019, when the research was completed. The higher the number, the more unequal the income. The GINI Index stays between 30.5 and 31.5 from 1969 to 1980. In 1980 it starts jumping up, eventually to
34 by 1985 (Reagan 81-89), levels off a bit before jumping up a full 2 points, to about 36.7 in 1992 (Clinton) and then continuing upward at a more modest rate to a peak of about 38.5 in 2006 (Clinton, Bush).
It dropped to about 37.5 in 2010 (Obama) but rose sharply in 2010, regaining almost all that it has lost (Obama). It has risen steadily since then (Obama, Trump)
Presidents of both parties contributed to its increase but Reagan and Clinton were responsible for the largest increases
If income equality was a goal, both parties failed. AFA Trump v Obama, according to some, they both increased the GINI by the same amount. But according to this chart, Obama was responsible for more inequality.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mahmut-Akarsu-2/publication/359772432/figure/fig1/AS:11431281211028204@1702305025624/Graph-of-Gini-in-the-United-States.png
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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The economics of the Western world are a disaster now, but let's stay on the USA for now
Biden has been a disaster for US debt
but Trump has also added to the 'Debt' some of the Wars were not his they started under Bush or Obama but Trump was losing money on War he trying to finish wars, end stuff but he was paying, Iraq, Afghanistan War, Syria ...he didnt finish Afghanistan that was Biden etc but Trump 'Tax Cuts' also added to the debt then Covid came, Social Security, Military, Interest on the Debt, Medicare Medicade and it sky rockets again...you can truly say the end of Afghanistan looked bad lots of people died and it damaged the US image but someone needed to end that war, they could not be there forever paying for that war forver.
Commodities don't really tell you a true picture as people can manipulate prices of stuff like 'Gold' the Purchasing Power of the US Dollar vs Gold, but that is also bad. The Debt is the real killer a potential to damage the currency, then people talk Bonds or Default or hyper inflation etc.
Both parties are owned, is there much of a difference maybe a small one Democrats are typically more Pharma stocks Republicans typically more Wall St Oil strocks, Kamala is she good for anything...maybe for for cannabis stocks.
neither Biden nor Trump have been good on 'Debt' but Biden maybe is somewhat worse, if any Candidate says they are just fixing that economic mess and growing their way out of 35 Trillion they are lying
the clock
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
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INFLATION
https://staticweb.usafacts.org/media/images/2023_01_29_SOTU_S.width-12
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Remember this signature of yours? You used it today http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11982
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)
I'm gonna start.
Maybe you will follow.
47#1198247Quote:The Kissinger quote is taken out of context so that it says the complete opposite of what K meant. Signym, you have been told NOT to repeat the mistake, but you never correct yourself. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56470/did-henry-kissinger
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Signym, even your signature, which you didn't use for once, shows you are manipulative and dishonest. Plus your numerous "Fuck Ukraines" reveals who you are. To answer Signym's own question: "Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?" Your answer is NO, Signym cannot be honest.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Signym is a lying sack of shit. She always has been.
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I have no idea where you are going with this.
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Quote:I'm not going anywhere with this.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have no idea where you are going with this.
That's the point. I don't have an agenda.
I was trying to collect info on Presidents' performance, but 2018 data forward is mostly missing.
So how about this?
You tell me, without demonizing, where you think Republicans have succeeded, and where they failed, and why. And same for Democrats.
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I started down that line before ...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, the records of the two current candidates.
Trump's record as President was spotty, at least as far as fulfilling his promises. Even tho he didn't build a wall, he DID stabilize the southern border. IDK how. I think he did a deal with Obrador: keep non- Mexicans on your side of the border and we'll cut you a check. But honestly, I'm not sure what happened. I would call it a success.
He bailed out of TTIP. That, too, was a success, IMHO.
He was looking for an economic "divorce" from China. I think the plan was to lower capital gains tax here, repatriate capital, tariff Chinese goods and make the economic environment favorable for industrial development.
*EDITED TO ADD: I know he's a great believer in capitalism, but if your nation really needs redevelopment in certain areas, I think the government needs to do more than fertilize the soil and hope. I think it needs to take a more active approach.*
He didn't portray China as a military crisis.
I read a report that even tho the tax rate was lower, overall total taxes collected increased.
Unfortunately he withdrew from both the JCPOA with Iran and the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia. I think he thought he could negotiate better deals and saw himself jetting around the world striking deals here there and elsewhere.
He tried to get our troops out of Syria, but somebody shelved those orders. And altho the neocons (Bolton, Pompeo et al) torpedoed various negotiations, he did manage to avoid embroiling the USA in any new proxy wars.
So I blame Trump for thinking he could negotiate with neocons.
Also, he needed a good chief of staff to follow up on the details he was too scatterbrained to follow up on.
And then Covid came along. It would be a challenge to ANYBODY, with so many unknowns about the virus. I think people were assuming it was like SARS and spread by foamites (little droplets of spittle from coughing, sneezing, talking, and singing) and that most of the droplets would fall to the ground, and that the remainder would dry out and inactivate the virus. But it turned out that Covid remains viable even in very small particles that can stay afloat for a long time, and is more airborne than anticipated.
If we (i.e. the USA) had a stockpile of useable N95s, at least our medical and emergency personnel would be protected. And they would be available for people who wanted to protect THEMSELVES. And knowing that the elderly were the most susceptible, special precautions should have been taken in nursing care and assisted living facilities.
Developing a vaccine was beneficial (I know I'm going to get pushback on that) but making it mandatory was ridiculous.
As a first step, shutting down made sense. But not for years, or even months! Once more eas known about transmission, the especially vulnerable should have gone into voluntary isolation.
Can't blame Trump for that, he was getting bad advice.
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Aside from Kamala's tenure as "border czar", she doesn't have much of a record. I assume that her policies are going to be similar to Biden's, just with Obama-style gloss.
And Biden's* tenure so far has been IMHO an unmitigated disaster. His biggest failures are the southern border and our deep, expen$ive involvement in various proxy wars.
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If anyone has anything POSITIVE to say about Biden's term of office, please speak up.
Usually every President has done at least one good thing.
Reagan, for all his faults, was responsible for SALT.
Clinton, for all his transnationalist ... er ... leanings, reduceded the deficit.
Obama, for all HIS faults, got healthcare for pre-existing conditions.
Even GWB got Part D done.
But Biden? Can someone fill in that blank? WITHOUT reference to Trump or Putin?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If anyone has anything POSITIVE to say about Biden's term of office, please speak up.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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Surely somebody has something positive say?
I'm not being facetious. I really don't pay THAT much attention to everything that goes on in DC.
Maybe beneficial laws were signed or something.
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