Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?
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UPDATED: Tuesday, September 17, 2024 15:37
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(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)
I'm gonna start.
Maybe you will follow.
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The Republican Party isn't the answer. Establishment Republicans are awful. Many populist Republicans, like many populist Democrats (e.g. AOC) are low- information idealogues. They put on a good show addressing trivial differences with Dems. Most, like most Dems, have a loose grasp of reality.
The problem isn't "Trump", or "Biden", or even "Putin". Personalizing a problem does nothing to solve it. And since these people aren't the problem, they aren't the answer.
Trump plays to the crowd, and says silly things that will be quickly dropped if he assumes power. Dems, and their media hatchet men (and women) PLAY the crowd with torrents of adverts and lies. Dems, too, promise things they have no intention of fulfilling.
The only way to assess them is on their record. And since no party or individual will ever fully meet your ideal, you have to weigh the importance of each difference from what you think is preferred or necessary.
So, instead of reams about how "awful" Trump is, and counteragruments about Dems, can we just have a sensible, honest, and fact- based discussion without the froth and propaganda?
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Sure.
I'll be the 2nd to admit that Republicans suck. It's not like I haven't been saying that for 18 years on this site now.
I don't view any of this as an Us vs. Them problem when it comes to political parties.
I view this very much as an Us vs. Them problem when it comes to intelligent people who ask questions vs. easily manipulated people who spend all day every day parroting whatever the Legacy Media tells them is true. Entirely emotionally driven people who have no critical thinking skills and lack any agency and free will of their own.
Ted-Bot just thinks in pictures and posts political cartoons whenever he's not posting NeoCon propaganda from the likes of Liz Cheney and her boys at The Lincoln Project.
Wetware, when he isn't outright plagiarizing other people's work, does nothing but repeat all the buzzwords the media is currently looping through his empty brain cavity ad nauseam. In the case of Wetware, it's like he's strapped up to a kidney dialysis machine 24/7, but instead of filtering out his bad blood and putting the clean blood back in his body, they're filtering out any independent thought and any previous programming that would conflict with his new programming and replacing it with The Current Narrative.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President. 
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a terrible moral issue
they zombie and robo control life?
Are birds or insects FAKE?
Nixon and Kennedy were probably a lot closer with their values than people admit, I really don't know what happened the two parties in modern times
previous debate 1960s
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Quote:Remember this signature of yours? You used it today http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11982
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)
I'm gonna start.
Maybe you will follow.
47#1198247
Quote:The Kissinger quote is taken out of context so that it says the complete opposite of what K meant. Signym, you have been told NOT to repeat the mistake, but you never correct yourself. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/56470/did-henry-kissinger
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
-say-it-may-be-dangerous-to-be-americas-enemy-but-to-be-am
Signym, even your signature, which you didn't use for once, shows you are manipulative and dishonest. Plus your numerous "Fuck Ukraines" reveals who you are. To answer Signym's own question: "Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?" Your answer is NO, Signym cannot be honest.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Apparently Wetware didn't read the thread title again before posting.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Remember this signature of yours? You used it today http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65372&mid=11982
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
(Looking at YOU. You know who you are!)
I'm gonna start.
Maybe you will follow.
47#1198247Quote:The Kissinger quote is taken out of context so that it says the complete opposite of what K meant.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
I disagree.
The CONTEXT of this statement is that Diem had been previously assassinated in a military coup, the widespread perception was that the CIA, if not directly responsible, gave tacit approval.
It would therefore not be advisable for a second assassination to occur.
Quote:It's not a mistake. It's my understanding. Yours is different. Instead of you "telling me" what is right, how about we agree to disagree?
Signym, you have been told NOT to repeat the mistake, but you never correct yourself
Next!
Quote:Huh? Is my signature missing?
SECOND: Your signature which you didn't use for once, shows you are manipulative and dishonest.
Quote:I think you have me confused with SIX. Since I don't recall ever posting that, I would say that I rarely do. But feel free to link “numerous“ times that I did.
SECOND: Plus your numerous "Fuck Ukraines" reveals who you are.
Quote:
SECOND: To answer Signym's own question: "Can we be honest? Yes, really ... Can we be honest?" Your answer is NO, Signym cannot be honest.
Come back when you're feeling less vituperative.
EDITED TO ADD: Well, son of a gun. My signature really WAS missing!
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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Quote:6ixStringJack, I am honestly telling the truth based on your entire history: You are a crazy asshole who has hundreds of quotes about how fucked up in the head you are. Here is one. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=11280
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Apparently Wetware didn't read the thread title again before posting.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
35#1128035 "Telling you that I don't believe a single person died of Covid wasn't honest enough for you?" -- 6ixStringJack
Then 6ix went over the top about his mother. It is no surprise that he called himself, once upon a time, 6ixStringJoker, loved the movie Joker where Joker murders his mother by smothering her with a pillow.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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I propose we just freeze SECOND out, bc he'll just do what he always does- drag a potentially interesting discussion off track with ad hominems
I, for one, have no interest in going down that path.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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So, the records of the two current candidates.
Trump's record as President was spotty, at least as far as fulfilling his promises. Even tho he didn't build a wall, he DID stabilize the southern border. IDK how. I think he did a deal with Obrador: keep non- Mexicans on your side of the border and we'll cut you a check. But honestly, I'm not sure what happened. I would call it a success.
He bailed out of TTIP. That, too, was a success, IMHO.
He was looking for an economic "divorce" from China. I think the plan was to lower capital gains tax here, repatriate capital, tariff Chinese goods and make the economic environment favorable for industrial development. He didn't portray China as a military crisis.
I read a report that even tho the tax rate was lower, overall total taxes collected increased.
Unfortunately he withdrew from both the JCPOA with Iran and the Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia. I think he thought he could negotiate a better deal and saw himself jetting around the world striking deals here there and elsewhere.
He tried to get our troops out of Syria, but somebody shelved those orders. And altho the neocons (Bolton, Pompeo et al) torpedoed various negotiations, he did manage to avoid embroiling the USA in any new proxy wars.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I propose we just freeze SECOND out, bc he'll just do what he always does- drag a potentially interesting discussion off track with ad hominems
I, for one, have no interest in going down that path.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.
Nobody here takes him seriously anyhow. Except for maybe Ted-Bot on occasion. Even though I've only ever seen Wetware acknowledge Ted-Bot's existence once in the last 8 years.
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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.
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