"The father will kill the son."

POSTED BY: ShanYu
UPDATED: Monday, March 28, 2005 23:49
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SHANYU

Friday, February 18, 2005 1:07 AM

While talking to friends and such, other people taht have seen the show... ive come to realize... no one caught on to teh fact that the prophecy wesley uncovers.. is true. at the time wesley hears angel talk about conner as food so he thinks it will happen soon...(in acctuallity it does in angel time not conner time)But rather than it happening then angel kills coner later on to give him a good life... angel deos not even realize that the prophecy came true, he lost faith in the shanshu prophecy becasue of that "false" prophecy. He tells wesley taht prophecys are bullsh!t(of course in different words) i was wodnering if anyone esle caught onto this.

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

TMURRIE

Friday, February 18, 2005 2:06 AM

Thank you for that amazing insight, i sure didn't get that the first time.

PETITRHINO

Friday, February 18, 2005 2:34 AM

I don't know whether Angel caught on it, probably not.

I did however. But I'm wondering: Was it just a coincidence? Or does any fake prophecy one writes becomes true? Cause Sahjahn (sp?) wrote it, not thinking it would become true...

SHANYU

Friday, February 18, 2005 5:24 AM

Shajen only said he wrote it, what might have happened was he stopped the people from writing all the details and just left it as the father will kil the son when maybe orignnally it would have said the father will kill the sun in 3 years at the age of... how old is conner.... hes like 18 i think... nayway yeah shajen may have only been lieing.

"You can live with a man for fourty years , share his meals, talk on every subject, then tie him up, and hold him over the volanoes edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man"

LISSA

Friday, February 18, 2005 6:28 AM

i caught on! i caught on! :D

~lissa, spwhore

EVILMIKE

Friday, February 18, 2005 5:43 PM

Odd theory time. This is especially so because I haven't watched all of the relevant episodes lately. Let me know what details are in the way.

What if the son isn't Conner?

What if the son is Spike? The father (grandsire, but maybe close enough) didn't wear the charm at the end of Buffy. This means that he indirectly killed Spike who wore it, died and was got to live again. The prophecy was fulfilled -- it's just no one noticed.

ZEEK

Friday, February 18, 2005 7:07 PM

uh....Conner died?

I don't remember that happening. I remember him going to stab conner and then a big flashy light thing happened. That's not killing him IMO. Angel just knew about the spell. Maybe the catalyst to set off Wolfram and Hart's spell was Angel's attack. But I really don't think he killed Conner.

CAPTAINCDC

Friday, February 18, 2005 7:12 PM

I always viewed it as a self fulfilling prophecy. Because Sahjahn meddled and altered or invented the prophecy about the father killing the son, then brought Holtz into the future, he started a chain of events that led to Connor having a violence filled miserable life. Seeing how miserable his son was in that life, Angel struck the deal with W&H to give him a new life. If Sahjahn had not interfered with the prophecy or Holtz, then Connor might have led as normal and well adjusted a life as could be expected for the son of two vampires. He would not have been kidnapped by Holtz and taken to Quortoth(sp?)and he would have grown up presumably surrounded by a loving father (Angel) and a loving supporting family (Cordy, Fred, Gunn, Wes). Just a thought.

The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason!

LISSA

Friday, February 18, 2005 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
uh....Conner died?

I don't remember that happening. I remember him going to stab conner and then a big flashy light thing happened. That's not killing him IMO. Angel just knew about the spell. Maybe the catalyst to set off Wolfram and Hart's spell was Angel's attack. But I really don't think he killed Conner.

Angel had to kill Connor to give him a new life. He knew about the spell, but he still had to stab Connor to enact the spell. Technically, Angel did kill Connor. It just...didn't stick lol.

Oo, a thought! Remember the prophecy Lilah had translated that said "there will be no birth, only death"? It fit when Darla killed herself, and it kind of fits again in this situation. Connor is given a new life, but this life emerged out of death rather than birth.

~lissa, spwhore

GROUNDED

Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:16 AM

"Technically, Angel did kill Connor."

I didn't get that at all from watching Home. Was it actually mentioned or are we supposed to assume it by that weird flashy thing?

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