Sniper kills five cops

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:29 AM

There's a chicken-and-egg problem here. IF we had more social cohesion, we could have better gun laws. But there is so little social cohesion that we can't accomplish that goal.

So it seems to me the answer is to achieve social cohesion another way, not related to guns.
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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:42 AM

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Originally posted by G:

Clearly you do not understand the problem.

This: "Oh and a population that seems largely in denial about cause and effect." for example, is very totally completely false. Our population voted overwhelming to support stricter background checks and tougher gun access laws, close to 90% - gun owners included! But we don't seem to actually run our own government when it comes to guns, and there's sadly, very little we can do. When the NRA and other gun lobbyists $own so much of Washington, they get to call the shots. It's deeply embarrassing and frustrating to many of us. It is incredibly simple to see, and nearly impossible to change with the current situation.

Well I have a perspective on the problem and I don't think I'm Robinson Crusoe in what I believe.

I've been coming over here a long time now and bashed out the gun issue over many years with a wide range of American posters from both ends of the political spectrum. And I've seen and come to understand many of the arguments made by Americans, which incidentally don't appear to hold sway with people from other nations.

So here is what I have seen

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" (yeah but its a hell of a lot easier with military grade weapons than a knife my friends, otherwise the military are wasting a shit load of money)
"If you start regulating guns, it's a slippery slope to tyranny" (so lets not have any laws then, if its a given that a law requiring you to have a licence to drive a car will clearly mean that we'll all be in gulags in the next 10 years)
"So should we ban knives then, seeing as they are used to kill people" (See 1)
"It's not guns that are the problem, it's our sick society, mental illness, exposure to violent video games and films, American imperialism, individualism etc ect' (So if your society is so sick and wrong, don't allow all those sick, wrong people to own weapons DUH)

etc etc

All the way down to some tired acknowledgements that you gun ownership laws or lack of probably do contribute to the level of gun violence, but hey it's in the constitution and it's a god given right, so whatyagunnado?

So I'm also assuming here that perhaps RWD doesn't represent the views of all Americans everywhere, but that it's an interesting cross section anyway and in the end if there was a will from the people and the lawmakers, it would happen. Let's hope it does.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There's a chicken-and-egg problem here. IF we had more social cohesion, we could have better gun laws. But there is so little social cohesion that we can't accomplish that goal.

So it seems to me the answer is to achieve social cohesion another way, not related to guns.

You're probably never going to achieve social cohesion to the kind of level that everyone will agree. You're too big and too complex - incidentally a strength as well as a weakness, but you do need lawmakers with balls, (scuse the unPCness of that comment) and you need to have lobby groups that can outshout the NRA, and you need to make it simple, because it's too hard to want to change society so that it is a more cohesive, compassionate functioning state. You are talking about something that would be decades away from being a reality IF everyone agreed on a suite of changes to a suite of legislation across a whole load of areas of law = health, employment, justice, welfare.

In that regard, gun laws are relatively simple. Registration, back ground checks, limits to number of arms and ammunition and restrictions on types of weapons that can be purchased. It's not rocket science, but it probably just requires legislators that tolerate voter backlash for the greater good.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, August 3, 2016 3:54 AM

And another Police Officer killed by another thug:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/selfie-star-cop-dies-tuberculosis-075942412.
html

JAYNEZTOWN

Friday, May 24, 2024 12:33 AM

Dallas the demonic shithole that killed a US President

teens unsolved murder case still under investigation
https://tylerpaper.com/news/texas/dallas-teens-unsolved-murder-case-st
ill-under-investigation/article_f8daf3a8-907c-59e8-b82f-1ae092fcbc96.html

He had a criminal record that included violent offenses, and had been sentenced to serve 5 years following a 2009 incident that stated he had resisted arrest. During a struggle with the arresting officer in 2009, a "black semi auto gun fell from his waistband"
https://abcnews.go.com/US/alton-sterling-arrested-09-confrontation-bat
on-rouge-cop/story?id=40555802

family accepted the settlement a few months later and the case was closed.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/article_e3852c28-cacb-11eb-b1a
0-af52e06857ef.html

SIGNYM

Friday, May 24, 2024 12:59 AM

To re-make the point that I've been making ever since whenever.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Honest question: Do you think anything in this country works? - G

I know a lot of PEOPLE who work ... really hard. They work at their jobs, and then they take care of ill and dying parents or children (or both). If they have spare time and energy they volunteer through their church or some other organization, if they have spare money they donate to a cause.

But being a decent, caring, responsible person is being a sucker. Because, really, what is rewarded? Scamming and cheating. Cheating and scamming. If you want to get ahead, it doesn't come from hard work! Just look at our banking elite and our politicians and our Bishops and televangelists, our gang leaders and our welfare cheats.

Working hard and meeting your obligations? That just makes you the (heavily parasitized) donkey for this whole enterprise. And who the hell wants to be that? The only thing you get out of being a hardworking responsible person is a good feeling about yourself, and every four years the politicians running for office refer to you to milk your vote. But they will never, EVER, do anything to change the system of rewards that operates here.

No wonder this place is falling apart.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

SECOND

Friday, May 24, 2024 1:42 AM

Signym has always been bitter about everything all the time:

Signym supports Russia over Ukraine, predicting imminent victory since the first days of the war
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&p=1

Signym supports Trump and despises Democrats
Deep State vs Trump
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61399&mid=1
193032#1193032

And there is this diatribe from Signym:

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
To re-make the point that I've been making ever since whenever.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Honest question: Do you think anything in this country works? - G

I know a lot of PEOPLE who work ... really hard. They work at their jobs, and then they take care of ill and dying parents or children (or both). If they have spare time and energy they volunteer through their church or some other organization, if they have spare money they donate to a cause.

But being a decent, caring, responsible person is being a sucker. Because, really, what is rewarded? Scamming and cheating. Cheating and scamming. If you want to get ahead, it doesn't come from hard work! Just look at our banking elite and our politicians and our Bishops and televangelists, our gang leaders and our welfare cheats.

Working hard and meeting your obligations? That just makes you the (heavily parasitized) donkey for this whole enterprise. And who the hell wants to be that? The only thing you get out of being a hardworking responsible person is a good feeling about yourself, and every four years the politicians running for office refer to you to milk your vote. But they will never, EVER, do anything to change the system of rewards that operates here.

No wonder this place is falling apart.

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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