What Good Sci-Fi am I missing?
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UPDATED: Wednesday, August 5, 2026 07:08
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
They didn't have names they had numbers, not as wacko as an old cult TV Show The Prisoner is a British television series created by Patrick McGoohan...in Dark Matter they named each other by numbers as they came out of the cryo suspended animation pods.
Although I remember one called 'The Android'
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Originally posted by SIX:
Oh right! Numbers. Was "Jayne" "two"? Was the young girl "six"? I might be totally wrong on those but that's what's stuck in my mind right now for some reason.
Wasn't "One" the guy you thought was going to be your "avatar" and the main character of the show but then he turned out to be a bad guy?
Heh... Crazy how long buried memories start coming back to you but only in part.
Damn. Wrong on both counts. Jayne was Three and the girl was Five.
Two was the badass bitch and I don't remember Six right now at least not from his IMDB profile picture.
Got the numbers wrong, but I'm pretty sure I was right about One and his character though.
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I was thinking more on that Dark Matter intro theme. I should have led with that. That should be the trailer, IMO. It's spoiler free even though things you see might end up symbolizing things we're in the dark about now.
It also made me think about an old Playstation puzzle game called I.Q. I'd never even heard about it until years after Playstation was already an ancient system. I don't know how popular or well known it was back in the day, but it's a great game I think a lot of people who like puzzle games probably missed.
lol Awesome. I didn't know there was a TV commercial for it too...
"Get ready to think... or die".
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Finished the first ep seemed a little like Counterpart TV series if I could compare it to anything, 'Counterpart' is also the alternative world type show. I don't know where they might go with the plot so it could go down the alternate Universe at War or Spy Gangster Drama or the Imposter Body Snatchers route, MissionImpossible, There Will Be Blood, Kurosawa's Kagemusha, The Broken a 2008 French-British horror film exploring Capgras delusion, a psychological condition also known as impostor syndrome.
Counterpart Tv Plot there was an experiment in Germany but its in Germany, the alternative reality Germany is still under post war international protect and its going to go into an even bigger alt timeline revisionist history split. In the show you also have some type of a Berlin-based World agency making sure it all runs like clockwork. The non-linear backstory plot-line that is eventually revealed - Two parallel Earths were created they have a tunnel or doorway to both Earth-1 Earth-2 and both began studying how the initially identical Earths diverge...the study is mostly hidden from the public but somehow a super-Flu-Virus is released it only truly damages one of the worlds / universe and the two different worlds/ dimensions enter a state of super cold war. This is the backstory until the 'plot' changes in the pilot and J. K. Simmons as Howard Silk, an ordinary employee meets his 'copy' of sorts a more cold, aggressive, militant, ruthless and ambitious 'counterpart'. I watched a season it was ok this was during the Trump era of political madness, maybe they could have rallied for another 3rd season but movies and tv were starting to crash a little and then Covid hits in the real world. It's as much as an espionage thriller or commentary on Dystopia with a bureaucratic UN type agency.
The trailer may explain it better
The other Dark Matter Canadian Syfy series was also pre-Trump and during Trump era of political madness, Dark Matter 2015-2017 set in space is really nothing like Apple's Dark Matter Series 2024 other than you can class them both as scifi. I would say Dark Matter 2004 is more like Counterpart or Fringe, the episodic shows like Outer Limits or Twilight Zone, The Man in the High Castle, Sliders and Quantum Leap more episodic upbeat there is also Stranger Things, there is 'Dark' German Fernsehserie but it is slow, atmospheric and leaves clues and is cryptic I was watching it casually, but you can miss stuff if you don't pay full attention there is a lot going on in one of the seasons so its not the type of German ghostly scifi show you watch casually while playing a guitar or friends come around and have a beer or a joint or something I think I will go back to it.
For now I would compare Dark Matter 2024 to the Counterpart TV series.
I know there are people who like to casually watch tv and switch their brains off, episodic shows might be better for them.
There was also a very old show the Scifi now Syfy Channel would show as re-runs the 'Otherworld' about a swiss family robinson household plot but thrown into a Dystopia another Escape from LA Escape from NewYork Dimension
Didn't see 'The Prisoner 2009 miniseries' might give it a watch, i t looks a high enough rated TV Show six of of 10 maybe 7 on some blogs although the official snobby critics at Rotten Tomatoes hate it audience is higher at 40% rating...not very good?
Sliders was a big cult hit similar to the plot but very episodic at times, more like Quantum Leap maybe.
'Charlie Jade' was another, it had a few fans here on fireflyfans but Scifi put it on some graveyard shift broadcast slot. It was some joint South African and Canada Montreal production around the time Canada was making good US tv and South Africa was growing with Invictus, District 9 but all that era seems gone now
Charlie Jade was very
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a number of reviews seem to like it
Dark Matter review – Joel Edgerton abducts himself in fun multiverse thriller
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/08/dark-matt
er-review-joel-edgerton-abducts-himself-in-fun-multiverse-thriller
Apple TV+’s Dark Matter review: it WILL blow your mind
https://www.absolutegeeks.com/article/entertainment-top/apple-tvs-dark
-matter-review-it-will-blow-your-mind/
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I forgot the Korean tv show 'Train' and Because it seems like there could be one actor doing many things but playing different personality roles maybe you could compare it to one of those split personality shows or movies, 'Psycho' or Legion, United States of Tara, Mr. Robot
The Neuro-Tech fake reality angle they might go, there was a tv show NeXt killed by Covid lockdowns, it had this Tony Stark Elon Musk Steve Jobs Bill Gates Peter Thiel Andrew Ng Sam Altman type guy, actor John Slattery played him but the character is suffering maybe a brain cancer, at the same time AI escapes and a homeland cybersecurity team to counter "a rogue AI with the ability to constantly improve itself"
https://www.metacritic.com/tv/next-2020/season-1
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Finished the first ep seemed a little like Counterpart TV series if I could compare it to anything, 'Counterpart' is also the alternative world type show. I don't know where they might go with the plot so it could go down the alternate Universe at War or Spy Gangster Drama or the Imposter Body Snatchers route, MissionImpossible, There Will Be Blood, Kurosawa's Kagemusha, The Broken a 2008 French-British horror film exploring Capgras delusion, a psychological condition also known as impostor syndrome.
I think you need to get ready to feel that way a lot. My mind has been swimming with the possibility of what is actually going on this whole time too. After 3 episodes, hilariously, part of me is starting to think that everything going on has a much more simple and almost trite/tropish motivation behind them. I don't think it's possible at all that these feelings are right, and I think that I'm being manipulated to feel that way by the story.
I REALLY want to tell you a certain Nicolas Cage movie part of this is really starting to remind me of, but I don't want to spoil anything for you because just mentioning the name of the movie would be a spoiler so I can't. You'll know what I know after you watch 2 more episodes.
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Counterpart Tv Plot there was an experiment in Germany but its in Germany, the alternative reality Germany is still under post war international protect and its going to go into an even bigger alt timeline revisionist history split. In the show you also have some type of a Berlin-based World agency making sure it all runs like clockwork. The non-linear backstory plot-line that is eventually revealed - Two parallel Earths were created they have a tunnel or doorway to both Earth-1 Earth-2 and both began studying how the initially identical Earths diverge...the study is mostly hidden from the public but somehow a super-Flu-Virus is released it only truly damages one of the worlds / universe and the two different worlds/ dimensions enter a state of super cold war. This is the backstory until the 'plot' changes in the pilot and J. K. Simmons as Howard Silk, an ordinary employee meets his 'copy' of sorts a more cold, aggressive, militant, ruthless and ambitious 'counterpart'. I watched a season it was ok this was during the Trump era of political madness, maybe they could have rallied for another 3rd season but movies and tv were starting to crash a little and then Covid hits in the real world. It's as much as an espionage thriller or commentary on Dystopia with a bureaucratic UN type agency.
The trailer may explain it better
I watched some episodes with my old man and my brother. I do remember liking it and feeling it had that Fringe vibe. But for the life of me I can't remember how much of it that I've seen or why I never finished it. It came out quite a bit after I'd stopped drinking. There was a few years there where I never watched anything if I didn't watch it with my dad at my brother's place. It's possible we'd started it and maybe we were going to finish it next time but I didn't go the next time and they watched it without me and I never got back to it.
Did they finish the story? Is it worth another attempt at a watch?
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The other Dark Matter Canadian Syfy series was also pre-Trump and during Trump era of political madness, Dark Matter 2015-2017 set in space is really nothing like Apple's Dark Matter Series 2024 other than you can class them both as scifi. I would say Dark Matter 2004 is more like Counterpart or Fringe, the episodic shows like Outer Limits or Twilight Zone, The Man in the High Castle, Sliders and Quantum Leap more episodic upbeat there is also Stranger Things, there is 'Dark' German Fernsehserie but it is slow, atmospheric and leaves clues and is cryptic I was watching it casually, but you can miss stuff if you don't pay full attention there is a lot going on in oneNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
its a pity you don't enjoy a style and genre born of Blade Runner
Outside of the Matrix thing Maybe play Deus Ex rewtahc Judge Dredd and look at the comics or read a William Gibson books
I know you watch foreign film but pretty sure you missed manga series or anime 'Akira' and there is Alita: Battle Angel or Blade Runner 2049
Otherworld is perhaps dated, 1980s tv
Dark Matter 2024 still enjoying it might make it to ep 3 or 4 or whatever is out there now
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its a pity you don't enjoy a style and genre born of Blade Runner
I don't know if I'd say that. I just didn't really like the original Blade Runner movie is all. I can't explain why I didn't, and why I found it boring when I watched it. I loved Harrison Ford when I was a kid and Sci-Fi was always something I was into.
I like games like Shadowrun, which isn't Blade Runner, but took obvious inspiration from it. I liked the movie Hackers too, and I'm pretty sure that got a lot of inspiration from Blade Runner. Would I still like Hackers today? Can't say if I would. I'm sure it's really dated by now, and I liked a lot of crap back in those days that you couldn't pay me to watch today.
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Outside of the Matrix thing Maybe play Deus Ex rewtahc Judge Dredd and look at the comics or read a William Gibson books
I never saw the remake of Judge Dredd but I saw the original. It wasn't bad. I liked Demolition Man a lot more though.
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I know you watch foreign film but pretty sure you missed manga series or anime 'Akira' and there is Alita: Battle Angel or Blade Runner 2049
I'm familiar with Akira just because of how popular it is and because there were video games made for it. I think my brothers both liked it too. I was never big into Anime like they were, but I enjoyed some of the stuff they got me to watch like Armatage III... which hey... come to think of it, that had to have been inspired by Blade Runner too.
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Otherworld is perhaps dated, 1980s tv
I don't think I'm familiar with that one, which is kind of strange since that would have been the time I watched a lot of old sci-fi tv shows with my dad. Things like The War of the Worlds tv series and Max Headroom.
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Dark Matter 2024 still enjoying it might make it to ep 3 or 4 or whatever is out there now
They've got 3 out now. Looks like Apple releases their shows on Wednesday and that's when Episode 4 comes out.
Did you watch episode 2 already? Things change a lot by the end of Episode 3.
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Ep 2 was the weaker, I liked the Art idea it maybe even pays tribute or referenced that other movie Labyrinth the scene with Doors Riddle trying to figure out Bowie Goblin King Maze.
Something about the 3 smoking weed was it or having a drink but then an intense conversation starts 'hypothetical' that stops being intense about another man living a similar but very different life, it was a missed opportunity a joke to throw in, a chance for more anger, something else back and forth maybe humor, a reaction...but there was almost nothing, maybe they were playing sleepy and tired but I think it felt like a wasted scene.
Still feel like there is a whole Stolen Identity Face-Off Body Snatcher possession memory transfer mind hijacking into Body Suit Evil Doppelgänger from the Bizarre Mirror Universe...a common plot point Wolverine asks who am I and Identify your real self through Amnesia and missing Memory, forgetting your thoughts and person later proves to be important, the newbie not really new engages in acts that do not make sense...again similar to the other 'Dark Matter' with a space ship who forgot who they were but they twins one good and one evil? they have switched places. 'A Stolen Life' about Twins there was also a Van Damme movie, Double Impact? Sherlock Holmes, CSI, Poirot Murder Mystery maybe Xfiles, Enemy of the State
Sudden jumps between worlds is not as smooth as I thought it could be and adds a little confusion interrupting what could be a more natural flow of scifi drama story, its good they added that stopwatch droplet train car move by sound effect maybe a finger snap sound effect mixed into to that acoustic envelope effect otherwise you are not grounded when maybe unknowingly watching it all move between worlds.
There are other hints if you don't catch the sound effect' you can notice the home is different, Jimmi Simpson as Ryan is fatter? or Jennifer Connelly dresses more seductive as the other Daniela or you have a more Housewife Soccer-mom look or one Joel Edgerton character Jason is unshaven and maybe has a cut and a scar. Jason-1 is adaptable and creative doing the bait and switch to get into 'technically his own house'. The Abortion angle adds a lot of drama and what if, is he losing his mind she asks. Is one of them a Bad 'Immoral' Jason, the spooky mask? Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? There are hints that Jason-1 is sensitive type while new-Jason that jumped into Jason's bed, arriving at original Earth 1 is a bit more sociopath cold psychotic? proof he's really different are the thickened skin calluses from the Wedding Ring. So you have Abortionist Painter Artist Daniela and the other Soccer-mom Daniela?
it has weird drama
adding new life to an old romance a lot of movies do it, Casablanca, Great Gatsby, re-finding the Erotic and Romance, even slashers like 'Scream' but making husband replaced by psycho Earth-2 version is another level of weird and strange, the Falling-in-Love but psycho man from Earth-2 Falls Out of Love goes Abortion-man or was only thinking of himself but then he goes to Earth-1 and finds good sex again.
Finally it starts to explain itself super position and multiple realities of Quantum Physics. Bad Jason from Earth-2 finds an unfinished Big Box in an old dirty warehoose, fix it and step inside big multi dimension mutliverse teleport thing happens? the Box the Cube important plot element, like a Borg ship or that Rock jihadi islamics walk around. they are about to have sex but then noise interrupts, phone and bad guys coming...ends with gore and shocker.
I haven't really noticed the other merc military guy he has a kind of LeBron or Malcolm-Jamal Warner Theo Huxtable look about his features.
Marquita Brooks plays a murderous violent solider merc imbecile with a gun 'Dawn Lawrence'. What is the role, the Orc, the Beast, the Demon you see in other movies and shows?
Alice Braga playing Amanda even though the role is small it is adding a lot of presence to the show.
Can you s
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ok watched ep 3, it was excellent, lots of new characters introduced if we classify 1-2 as 'The Pilot' takes the show in a new direction.
The female henchman or henchwoman is basically just a monster.
but new concepts and plot elements taking it in another direction and a Female Cop detective shows up trying to sniff things out and had a few twists I did not expect.
Joel Edgerton is a good actor, and very skilled playing as good guy Jason-1 or as narcissism Jason-2 playing a role of an imposter trying to fit into another person's shoes
it hints at the modern world, maybe even kind of a warning about all the stuff you put out there on the Instagrams, Snapchats, Facebooks
poor Ryan can't get a break but he's a lot more financially successful in Earth-1
Without doubt going down that stolen memory stolen identity route.
I thought he should have kicked the Female-Monster in the face, she was trying to put a gun into the room thought he should have kicked her teeth out, maybe the writers film makers wanted to make that scene shocking but I thought it was hilarious she lost her hand, pity she's still alive and I will be forced to watch more of her
didnt expect the ending with a super box tunnel
not sure if I'll watch more but its an entertaining show
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