Compliance can't make a functional society: What Orwell And Huxley Got Wrong And Kafka Got Right

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, April 8, 2024 9:36 AM

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Also though, my neighborhood is fine. I live in a Republican ran state and I'm 150 miles away from Democrat shithole Indianapolis. We don't have bums living out on the street and shit and hypodermic needles lying around everywhere.

It's not as if the entire country is becoming a "filthy disgusting schizo degenerate sh**hole". But there are very large pockets containing a very large portion of the electorate that live in such places.

At least, for now, it hasn't bled very much into the suburbs.
It is revealing that Trumptard-controlled states strongly tend to have lower incomes compared to Democrat controlled.

It's not revealing of what you're thinking it is.

The average apartment rent for a 2 bedroom apartment in Indiana in 2022 was $814 per month. The same year it was $1,538 in California for the same 2 bedroom apartment.

https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/average-rent-by-year

People in California who rent an apartment need to earn nearly twice as much as the same people in Indiana who want to keep housing costs at 30% of their income.

No wonder idiots that work as adults at fast food companies need to make at least $20/hr in California in order to survive. If we pretend that Federal/State taxes and Social Security/Medicare doesn't exist and pretend that a $20/hr employee gets to keep all $20/hr they make, they've got to work 76.9 hours in a month just to pay their apartment rent. So you know that after taxes they're working more than two weeks per month just to pay the rent with no equity built up.

And they're likely not allowed to work more than 30 hours per week anyhow, since they're very unlikely a full time employee with health insurance or other benefits unless they're in management. So unless they have a 2nd job, they're working almost 3 weeks out of the month to pay for their apartment rent.

Nearly everything else in California is twice as expensive too. Don't try to deny that. These people aren't making twice as much and banking it. They're not making twice as much and having twice as good of a life buying twice the amount of shit they don't need even. What money they manage to keep by not paying twice as much for the same things they're giving to the state and local government in higher taxes on literally everything.

And as a bonus we don't have the trash companies going on strike all the time so our trash always gets picked up on time. And our street sweepers still keep everything clean since they still work because they haven't been jammed up with hypodermic needles and human shit. Oh... and we don't have drug addicts and alcoholics jerking off in the middle of the streets in broad daylight or people running up to white women and punching them in the face, which is a nice plus. That might have nothing at all to do with the fact that our police actually make arrests and put people in jail too. Most of the degenerates in society just tend to flock to Democrat ran shitholes.

Gee... I wonder why that is?

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, April 9, 2024 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think maybe Rival Counties and Parish in a game or bid, Family Business vs other business, the Competition, an enterprise created by workers, individuals, stockholders, shareholders and designers in contest against other Corporations in a Free and Fair market...not crony capitalism, but both Big and Small Business and the States running against each other to see who have the best ideas and all of that is a fine idea but 'Compliance'...misconduct delinquency troublemaking revolt DO NOT COMPLY! the Compiance termis not a word I would use, its just too much for me, and describe the wrong stuff like a stubborn angry creature freaking out in the animal kingdom

I don't normally agree with Jimmy Kimmel

but he's correct the West is becoming a filthy disgusting schizo degenerate sh**hole

while other places are CLEAN and FUNCTIONAL

If Trump said that...soon it might have to add USA and other Western nations to the list of 'Countries'

Just to get back to this....

First of all, I would eliminate the stocks and stockholders. IN THEORY, making a number of people part owners would give them, you would think, a vested interest in how the company is run. IN PRACTICE, stocks values are determined by speculators who can choose between stock futures, Treasuries, and commodities futures, and stock holders are more interested in speculating than making their company function. So companies are run with an eye to stock prices, which disorts their internal policies.

But I did a mental experiment in which ALL production is run by cooperatives i.e. where all employees are part owners of the company and there are no outside owners. In a milieu of employee-run companies (cooperatives), there is nothing preventing a particularly astute and aggressive cooperative from automating heavily and taking over the market. You would probably still wind up with a sector being dominated by one large monopolistic, heavily automated cooperative and the benefits accruing to a small number of people with a vested interest in filling their pockets to the detriment of workers and consumers everywhere. Because there is nothing preventing it, and monopolies are highly efficient, benefit from economies of scale, and can eliminate potential competition.

So in order to prevent large monopoplies from forming, there has to be some FORMAL LEGAL limit to company size, probably in dollar amount. And there might have to be some formal limit on automation and possibly on profits as well.

The conundrum comes in that some enterprises work best on a national scale and are "natural monopolies" like telecomm, highways, riverways, etc. Or at least need national or international interoperability. Rail lines need a common gage (a problem in early railways), electric grid, telecomms, even such things as grades of steel, piped nat gas, or cement.

SOME things, like electric grids, need to be coordinated on a regional basis to prevent local shortages from turning into regional blackouts, for example.

So creating a host of smaller startups - even cooperatives- won't prevent to problems of monopolies and automation from recurring.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 10, 2024 1:19 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I think maybe Rival Counties and Parish in a game or bid, Family Business vs other business, the Competition, an enterprise created by workers, individuals, stockholders, shareholders and designers in contest against other Corporations in a Free and Fair market...not crony capitalism, but both Big and Small Business and the States running against each other to see who have the best ideas and all of that is a fine idea but 'Compliance'...misconduct delinquency troublemaking revolt DO NOT COMPLY! the Compiance termis not a word I would use, its just too much for me, and describe the wrong stuff like a stubborn angry creature freaking out in the animal kingdom

I don't normally agree with Jimmy Kimmel

but he's correct the West is becoming a filthy disgusting schizo degenerate sh**hole

while other places are CLEAN and FUNCTIONAL

If Trump said that...soon it might have to add USA and other Western nations to the list of 'Countries'

Just to get back to this....

First of all, I would eliminate the stocks and stockholders. IN THEORY, making a number of people part owners would give them, you would think, a vested interest in how the company is run. IN PRACTICE, stocks values are determined by speculators who can choose between stock futures, Treasuries, and commodities futures, and stock holders are more interested in speculating than making their company function. So companies are run with an eye to stock prices, which disorts their internal policies.

Truth.

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But I did a mental experiment in which ALL production is run by cooperatives i.e. where all employees are part owners of the company and there are no outside owners. In a milieu of employee-run companies (cooperatives), there is nothing preventing a particularly astute and aggressive cooperative from automating heavily and taking over the market. You would probably still wind up with a sector being dominated by one large monopolistic, heavily automated cooperative and the benefits accruing to a small number of people with a vested interest in filling their pockets to the detriment of workers and consumers everywhere. Because there is nothing preventing it, and monopolies are highly efficient, benefit from economies of scale, and can eliminate potential competition.

I was thinking the same thing while reading your first sentence here, so I'm glad you got to that right away too. I've been involved in quite a few buyouts over the years. There's no room for allegiance to anything in that environment. If you don't immediately fall in line with the new ownership/direction of the company and you don't go out of your way to prove to them why you even deserve to keep your position or even a further offer of employment when there usually is so much overlap and redundancy after a merger... you're gone. They have developed many means of figuring out exactly who is going to keep their jobs when this happens. A lot of it is through social engineering, and when a large percentage of a group all the sudden realizes that they're part of a bigger group that is now too big, it's a lot easier to manipulate the behaviors of people who want and/or need to do whatever is necessary to maintain their place in the herd.

Even if you gave employees the ability to become invested in the company and speculators from the outside couldn't gamble and profit off of human labor within the company, they would never be given enough share in the company where all of them combined would have any influence over such mergers or other high-up decisions that would negatively impact all those employee shareholders.

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So in order to prevent large monopoplies from forming, there has to be some FORMAL LEGAL limit to company size, probably in dollar amount. And there might have to be some formal limit on automation and possibly on profits as well.

I don't really know how into spe

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 10, 2024 9:56 AM

Something that libertarians fail to take into account. They think that by reaffirming that all people own themselves and violence is forbidden from extracting exploitative agreements, everything will be peachy keen and we'll reach utopia. They don't realize that market forces create crushingly powerful entities that steamroll entire nations.

I used to discuss this with GEEZER ... that successful small companies that grow midsized will be bought up by giants bc the ONE THING that any big business hates is competition. Every example he came up with ... the two that I remember specifically were Ben$Jerry's and Burt's Bees... turned out to have been bought up.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 10, 2024 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Something that libertarians fail to take into account. They think that by reaffirming that all people own themselves and violence is forbidden from extracting exploitative agreements, everything will be peachy keen and we'll reach utopia. They don't realize that market forces create crushingly powerful entities that steamroll entire nations.

I used to discuss this with GEEZER ... that successful small companies that grow midsized will be bought up by giants bc the ONE THING that any big business hates is competition. Every example he came up with ... the two that I remember specifically were Ben$Jerry's and Burt's Bees... turned out to have been bought up.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

Yeah. Me personally, it's the loss of all those small companies in the video game industry.

There's a reason why the 90's were "edgy" and that mentality peaked and has nearly disappeared in the span of 25 years.

For a few decades when it was a hobby thing that just a fraction of the population enjoyed, there were small companies that were always taking risks and bringing new ideas to the surface. They all bought each other up and now there's only really a few big ones left that are just as formulaic about what they put out as Hollywood is.

Once they get that big, the only move they have is to always play it safe and be on the defensive, because the only way to go is down.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, September 18, 2025 8:03 PM

An American cancer patient and Trump supporter was confronted by British police and told to apologise for her online posts or face an investigation.

https://x.com/SpeechUnion/status/1968419871269511561

JAYNEZTOWN

Monday, September 29, 2025 3:52 PM

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