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Tuesday, January 23, 2024 9:32 PM

Raw data: Social welfare spending

By Kevin Drum / Jan 23, 2024

https://jabberwocking.com/raw-data-social-welfare-spending/

The top chart shows total federal social welfare spending (adjusted for inflation) since 1960. The bottom chart breaks out the categories for 2023 so you can see exactly what I'm including.



The trendline in the top chart is for 1960-2019, extended through 2023. Social welfare spending surged during the pandemic for obvious reasons, and is now back on its pre-pandemic trend.

NOTE: All data comes from OMB Table 11.3 except for recent SNAP figures, which come from the USDA. All figures are adjusted for inflation using the PCE index.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/historical-tables/
https://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-
snap


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Sunday, January 28, 2024 3:29 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Kamala Harris is an idiot.

Everybody knows that she is an idiot.

Democrats are just praying that Biden* doesn't die before the election.

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Having a niwit VP is a President's term insurance. Can you imagine how fast Biden* would have been out of office if Camel-like Harris was even halfway competent?

SIGNYM






tick tock

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Sunday, January 28, 2024 3:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Kamala Harris is an idiot.

Everybody knows that she is an idiot.

Democrats are just praying that Biden* doesn't die before the election.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.



Having a niwit VP is a President's term insurance. Can you imagine how fast Biden* would have been out of office if Camel-like Harris was even halfway competent?

SIGNYM






tick tock

T




What's that tick tock for?

Are you counting down the days to Kamala Harris being President now?

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Tuesday, March 12, 2024 7:27 PM

Not Just Putin: Why the Right Falls in Love with Dictators

How the American Right Fell in Love With Dictators, Over and Over Again

Trump and Putin are nothing new.

By Casey Michel | March 10, 2024

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/not-just-putin-why-the-right-f
alls-in-love-with-dictators.html


For years, an imperialistic, hard-right European dictator unleashing bloodshed across the Continent cultivated supporters across the U.S. This despot claimed he was leading a “unique, anti-Western culture,” and, in so doing, cultivated allies and fellow travelers among conservatives across America, all of whom were disgusted by “corrupt Western liberal values” and who “scorned Western liberalism as a bankrupt ideology.” Nor was this appeal just rhetorical; as investigators later discovered, this right-wing revanchist bankrolled both propaganda efforts and agents on the ground, successfully turning Americans, especially on the right, to his cause.

To modern readers, the story is a familiar one — not least as it pertains to Donald Trump’s affections for Vladimir Putin, to say nothing of how Russian forces have cultivated conservative Americans from Tucker Carlson to the National Rifle Association and beyond. But the aforementioned case has nothing to do with Putin or with Trump. Instead, it took place a century ago, when conservatives across the U.S. flocked to the cause of Germany’s militarist tyrant, Kaiser Wilhelm II.

In so doing, as Jacob Heilbrunn successfully argues in his new book, America Last: The Right’s Century-Long Romance With Foreign Dictators, they created a blueprint for how foreign dictators even decades later could cultivate conservative communities to their cause — and could, by the early 21st century, help propel one as far as the presidency. The story of the Americans who worshipped Wilhelm is just one of a range of pro-dictatorship efforts that Heilbrunn excavates, threading a century-long conservative infatuation with right-wing dictators. It’s not only a corrective to the voluminous (if also accurate) investigations on how communist tyrannies fostered leftist supporters in the U.S., but also an able — and wildly timely — effort to stitch together nominally disparate views, from different epochs and eras. It all adds up to a convincing conclusion: that Trump, in “lavishing praise on Putin and other dictators … wasn’t creating a new style of right-wing politics,” Heilbrunn, editor of The National Interest and author of a previously acclaimed book on the history of neoconservatives, writes. “Instead, he was building on a long-standing tradition.”

It’s a tradition that has seen surprisingly little scrutiny, allowing Trump’s treacly fealty to Putin to seem like an aberration. To be sure, there are elements unique to Trump’s personal predilections — not least his history as a luxury real-estate developer, an industry that profited arguably more than any other from the illicit, kleptocratic flows linked to foreign dictators, laundering untold millions of dollars (and potentially more) in the process. Never before could foreign despots so easily, and so effectively, patronize the company of a sitting American president.

But in other far more conspicuous ways, Trump is simply building on a legacy long predating his rise. There were, for instance, the early devotions to the Ur-Fascist himself, Benito Mussolini. Il Duce presented himself not only as a guarantor of order and stability — and a bastion against left-wing forces in Italy and beyond — but as someone who posed “as a defender of whites,” Heilbrunn notes, who prioritized “family values” and who, “in stark contrast to hedonistic America, cherished manliness.” (He also cherished Wall Street with JP Morgan organizing a loan for the Fascist government worth nearly $2 billion in modern currency.) Conservatives in America lapped it up, fêting not only Mussolini but salivating for a similar leader in the U.S. One conservative writer, Irving Babbitt, bleated that circumstances “may arrive when we may esteem ourselves fortunate if we g

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Tuesday, March 12, 2024 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Not Just Putin: Why the Right Falls in Love with Dictators



Oh... get fucked dude. Hitler was a Democrat. He was one of yours.


Joe Biden* and his administration are currently doing every single thing you're suggesting that Trump is going to do when re-elected, which are also things Trump didn't do when he was President the first time.

The terminally braindead among us vote Democrat because they're so easy to manipulate by leftist shit rags like New York Magazine.

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Tuesday, March 12, 2024 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Not Just Putin: Why the Right Falls in Love with Dictators



Oh... get fucked dude. Hitler was a Democrat. He was one of yours.


Joe Biden* and his administration are currently doing every single thing you're suggesting that Trump is going to do when re-elected, which are also things Trump didn't do when he was President the first time.

The terminally braindead among us vote Democrat because they're so easy to manipulate by leftist shit rags like New York Magazine.

This was from yesterday, 6ix:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
#Rootin4Putin

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=11894
51#1189451


6ix, it was only a few weeks ago I told you about Joe Duncan, a pilot for Eastern Airlines back in 1962. He made the same kind of arguments you do. Predictably, he dropped dead early in life, in 1965 from choking on a chicken bone. Joe was a fat, greedy, loudmouth asshole, the same as Trump or the average angry poor white trash Trumptard.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 13, 2024 7:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Not Just Putin: Why the Right Falls in Love with Dictators



Oh... get fucked dude. Hitler was a Democrat. He was one of yours.


Joe Biden* and his administration are currently doing every single thing you're suggesting that Trump is going to do when re-elected, which are also things Trump didn't do when he was President the first time.

The terminally braindead among us vote Democrat because they're so easy to manipulate by leftist shit rags like New York Magazine.

This was from yesterday, 6ix:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
#Rootin4Putin

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=11894
51#1189451



Yup. That was me.

Quote:

6ix, it was only a few weeks ago I told you about Joe Duncan


Oh, did you? I ignore most of what you post.

Quote:

, a pilot for Eastern Airlines back in 1962. He made the same kind of arguments you do. Predictably, he dropped dead early in life, in 1965 from choking on a chicken bone. Joe was a fat, greedy, loudmouth asshole, the same as Trump or the average angry poor white trash Trumptard.


I'm fucking awesome dude. Have fun at work tomorrow, bitch.

You ain't never going to retire.



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Wednesday, March 13, 2024 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Not Just Putin: Why the Right Falls in Love with Dictators

How the American Right Fell in Love With Dictators, Over and Over Again

Trump and Putin are nothing new.

By Casey Michel | March 10, 2024

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/not-just-putin-why-the-right-f
alls-in-love-with-dictators.html

House Republican giggles over Hitler praise — and admits he never listens to Trump

By Kathleen Culliton, Matt Laslo | March 12, 2024

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/trump-hitler-2667497580/

WASHINGTON — A Republican House representative burst into laughter Tuesday when a Raw Story reporter asked him to comment on former President Donald Trump's remarks praising autocrats that included Adolf Hitler.

"You guys still paying attention to what Trump says?" Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD) said with a giggle. "Oh my God ... journalists never learn."

Harris, a Freedom Caucus member whose ties to Trump include attendance at a meeting in 2020 to discuss keeping the former president in the White House, admitted that he does not listen to the words that come out of the leading Republican presidential candidate's mouth.

"You guys don't listen to Trump?" Raw Story asked.

"No, of course not!" Harris said. "You look at what he does, not what he says."

Harris' assertion comes as the release of a new book — "The Return of Great Powers" by CNN's Jim Sciutto — details warnings from former Trump advisers over their onetime boss' admiration for autocrats.
https://www.amazon.com/Return-Great-Powers-Russia-China-ebook/dp/B0CDF
TP82H
/
https://libgen.is//search.php?req=Jim+Sciutto

“He likes dealing with other big guys, and big guys like Erdogan in Turkey get to put people in jail and you don’t have to ask anybody’s permission,” John Bolton, who served as national security adviser under Trump, told Sciutto. "He kind of likes that.”

Retired Marines General John Kelly told Sciutto he convinced Trump to stop praising the Nazi leader who masterminded the Holocaust by arguing Italian's fascist dictator Benito Mussolini was "a great guy in comparison.”

"Hitler did some good things," Trump said, according to Kelly. "[Hitler] rebuilt the economy."

This prompted Kelly to note what Hitler did with that thriving economy: "He turned it against his own people and against the world.

"I said, ‘Sir, you can never say anything good about the guy. Nothing.'"

News of this exchange came as a surprise to Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC), who told Raw Story he "didn't know anything about" Trump's professed admiration for strong men leaders and added, "That's crazy."

Rep. Dan Meuser (R-PA) came to Trump's defense, telling Raw Story he believed Trump's praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin was simply respect for an intelligent adversary.

"Somebody could be dastardly ... but they could still be smart," Meuser said. But he added, "I'm not going to get into Hitler."

Rep. Troy Nehls (R-TX) echoed Meuser's adversary argument and accused Kelly of stirring up a fuss because he did not have a war to fight.

"All these old generals, retire, go home, enough is enough," Nehls said. "Oh come on. Praising Hitler? They take that all out of context."

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 13, 2024 4:44 PM

That post is a self own.

You're an idiot.

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Wednesday, March 13, 2024 6:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
That post is a self own.

You're an idiot.

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Trump praise for Hitler ‘disgraceful but wholly unsurprising’
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4526186-biden-campaign-trump-pra
ise-for-hitler-disgraceful-but-wholly-unsurprising
/

Aide tried to stop Trump praising Hitler – by telling him Mussolini was ‘great guy’
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-j
ohn-kelly-jim-sciutto-book


Former advisers sound the alarm that Trump praises despots in private and on the campaign trail
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/trump-despots-advisers-sound-a
larm/index.html


Trump Apparently Has a List of Things He Loves About Adolf Hitler
https://newrepublic.com/post/179741/trump-praise-adolf-hitler-john-kel
ly


Donald Trump says he is 'not a student of Hitler'
"I know nothing about Hitler," former President Donald Trump said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-student-hitler-rule-dicta
tor/story?id=105875771


Trump admires Hitler, is infatuated with Putin
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-admires-hitler-is-infatuated-with-
putin-former-staff-claim-in-new-book
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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