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Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Friday, August 2, 2024 09:17
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Friday, January 5, 2024 9:32 PM

OLD DATA: Numbers as of 10/31/2023:


2023 WINNERS AND LOSERS (MOVIES)
By % of WORLDWIDE GROSS / PRODUCTION BUDGET

Up to date as of 10/31/2023


00000000000000000000| PRODUCTION0| WORLDWIDE0000|% OVER|2.0x RoT000000|2.5x RoT000000|FINAL|
Rnk|MOVIE TITLE00000| BUDGET00000| GROSS00000000|BUDGET|PROFIT/LOSS000|PROFIT/LOSS000|DATE0|STUDIO000|

001|Talk To Me000000|00$4,500,000|000$90,494,330|2,011%|000$81,494,330|000$79,244,330|10/26|A24000000|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
002|Sound of Freedom|0$14,500,000|00$242,611,522|1,673%|00$213,611,522|00$206,361,522|00000|ANGEL STU|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
003|M3GAN 0000000000|0$12,000,000|00$181,013,217|1,508%|00$157,013,217|00$151,013,217|03/16|UNIVERSAL|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
004|Super Mario Bros|$100,000,000|$1,361,020,801|1,361%|$1,161,020,801|$1,111,020,801|07/07|UNIVERSAL|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
005|Insidious: TRD00|0$16,000,000|00$186,258,928

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Friday, January 5, 2024 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
OLD DATA: Numbers as of 10/31/2023:


2023 WINNERS AND LOSERS (MOVIES)
By % of WORLDWIDE GROSS / PRODUCTION BUDGET

Up to date as of 10/31/2023


00000000000000000000| PRODUCTION0| WORLDWIDE0000|% OVER|2.0x RoT000000|2.5x RoT000000|FINAL|
Rnk|MOVIE TITLE00000| BUDGET00000| GROSS00000000|BUDGET|PROFIT/LOSS000|PROFIT/LOSS000|DATE0|STUDIO000|

001|Talk To Me000000|00$4,500,000|000$90,494,330|2,011%|000$81,494,330|000$79,244,330|10/26|A24000000|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
002|Sound of Freedom|0$14,500,000|00$242,611,522|1,673%|00$213,611,522|00$206,361,522|00000|ANGEL STU|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
003|M3GAN 0000000000|0$12,000,000|00$181,013,217|1,508%|00$157,013,217|00$151,013,217|03/16|UNIVERSAL|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
004|Super Mario Bros|$100,000,000|$1,361,020,801|1,361%|$1,161,020,801|$1,111,020,801|07/07|UNIVERSAL|
000000000000000000000---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
005|Insidious: TRD00|0$16,000,000|

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Saturday, January 6, 2024 1:11 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
WOW! I bet if Warner Brothers/Discovery does buy Parmount it'll be at a 'fire sale' price.



And that's just the OLD data from Halloween. I just finished updating the lists as of 01/04/2024.

If you thought that was good get ready for some laughs, because there's a few really good ones coming.



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FYI, 20th Century Studios is Disney.


Yeah. I mentioned that a few posts back as the reason why Disney is "only" losing around $1.5 Billion in 2023 on this list when I have them losing over $1.85 Billion in the Disney failure thread.

Not only that, but some of 20th Century's movies didn't even crack the worldwide top 100 so they're not counted here, and none of the FOX Searchlight flicks that I put in the Disney Failure Thread even made the Top 100 so they're not counted here either.



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Saturday, January 6, 2024 2:30 AM

You can go to the Original Post and see the updated list of movies now. I left the Woody Harrelson movie Champions on the list here, but since I was never able to find a production budget for it, the $19 Million it made is not factored into any math in the tables. Focus Features doesn't get any credit for that box office gross if they won't tell anybody what the budget was.

That being said, there were 74 US movies recorded in the Top 100 Grossing Worldwide. Over time, some of them were pushed into the Top 200, with The Blackening being the lowest of them, currently at 140. There were quite a few movies in the Top 100/200 that were made in other countries, with most of them being from China if not from the US. If the movie was between 101 and 140 and didn't make the list, it was either because I couldn't find some important data such as production budget so it was left off, or because it was such a late comer with such a small gross that it never had a chance at the Top 100 and I didn't add it.


Here's the list showing how the Studios did with these 74 films in 2023:

2023 WINNERS AND LOSERS (STUDIOS)
By PROFIT ACCORDING TO 2.5x Rule of Thumb (RoT)

Up to date as of 01/04/2024*


00000000000000000000000| COMBINED0000000| COMBINED00000000| %GROSS0|0000000000000000|0000000000000000|
00000000000000000000000| PRODUCTION00000| WORLDWIDE0000000| OVER000| 2.0x RoT0000000| 2.5x RoT0000000|
Rnk | STUDIO00000000000| BUDGETS00000000| GROSS00000000000| BUDGET0| PROFIT/LOSS0000| PROFIT/LOSS0000|

001 | UNIVERSAL00000000|0$1,071,203,077 |00$4,237,897,174 |000396% |0$2,095,491,020 |0$1,559,889,482 |
00000000000000000000000-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
002 | WARNER BROS.00000|0$1,258,500,000 |00$3,608,908,135 |000287% |0$1,091,908,135 |000$462,658,135 |
00000000000000000000000-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
003 | SONY PICTURES0000|000$601,000,000 |00$1,4

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Saturday, January 6, 2024 2:47 AM

Some cool stats for 2023...


6 of the Top 10 movies were from the Horror genre. 11 of the Top 20 were Horror flicks.


The Top 5 movies cost $156,000,000 to produce and grossed $2,181,807,919 Worldwide. This was 2.27% of the total Hollywood Budget cost for all 74 movies, yet it was 12.81% of the Total Worldwide Gross.


The Top 10 movies cost $449,000,000 to produce and grossed $5,017,902,373 Worldwide. This was 6.53% of the total Hollywood Budget cost for all 74 movies, yet it was 29.46% of the Total Worldwide Gross.


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Saturday, January 6, 2024 6:11 PM

A fine example of a Hollywood movie that should not have been made, assuming Hollywood wishes the movie to be profitable rather than being an income tax evasion scheme for rich and dishonest investors:

Worldwide Box Office $8,850
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Bricklayer-The-(2023)#tab=summary

The Bricklayer (2024)
The film was announced in August 2011, with Gerard Butler set to star and produce. In January 2022, it was announced that Eckhart would star, with Butler still producing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bricklayer_(2024_film)

The Pirates already have a copy ready for your viewing:
https://psa.wf/movie/the-bricklayer-2023/
https://yts.mx/movies/the-bricklayer-2023
https://1337x.unblockit.ing/search/The+Bricklayer+2023/1/ The final / is very important, but fireflyfans.net does not get the URL correct. You will have to copy/paste the final /.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, January 6, 2024 9:56 PM

https://deadline.com/2023/10/the-bricklayer-movie-aaron-eckhart-nina-d
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Said Millennium Media VP, Development and Production Tanner Mobley, “Working with Renny is always a delight, and teaming up with Vertical was a no-brainer. We’re excited to collaborate with Vertical’s incredibly talented team who are the perfect partners for this film.”


They got a talent alright.

For turning $23,900,000 into $8,850.

Disney tried hard and had a lot more money to throw around, but they didn't come close to that kind of return.




Disney's got bigger problems going forward though. They've burned all of their original IPs and everything they paid billions to acquire. Star Wars is done. Indiana Jones is done. Willow is done. Marvel is done. Nobody is interested in any more live-action Disney remakes. Nobody is interested in an new original Disney cartoons.


Sure... If you're a shady producer from some shady marketing agency, it's one thing to drop $24 Million on a group of competent B-List actors who at least a good deal of the population is going to recognize from prior projects and make a competent spy thriller that's been done a million times before, written by an ex-FBI agent under a pseudonym...

But you don't spend a few years burning one multi-billion franchise after another after another all while dipping into your own vast library of beloved characters known the world round and bastardize the hell out of them to the point nobody is even interested in seeing anything new you make anymore.


Nobody knew who Vertical or Millennium Media was before this movie got its obligatory limited release and nobody knows them after it's already come and gone.

Everybody in the world who has electricity knows who Disney is, and nobody is interested in seeing anything more they have to offer.


Who knows? Maybe this was all an inside job and somebody or some group of somebodies working at high levels inside Disney intentionally orchestrated the collapse of the company.

I don't know why you'd kill the Golden Goose when you can just wait patiently for all the Golden Eggs it was going to deliver to you in perpetuity, but I'm sure if some mid-level con-men can copy the playbook laid out for them in The Producers and turn a $24 Million loss on the books into a big payday come tax time, destroying one of the biggest companies that ever existed on Earth must be worth a fortune to the right people.

If that is what is actually going on here, there needs to be some investigations into the inner-workings at Disney to weed out those who have abandoned their fiduciary duty to the stockholders and hold them all accountable.

Because while the markets have been doing fine, there's real signs that we're in for a collapse now that the free money has run out. And instead of rising in value along with the rest of the market, Disney appears to be perfectly happy having shed half of its market cap and appears to desire lowering it even further going forward. And since it didn't take advantage of the market upswing despite the rising unaffordability of everything in these recent years, if there is a big downturn coming it might not even be something Disney has any control over at that point.





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Saturday, January 6, 2024 11:42 PM

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Who knows? Maybe this was all an inside job and somebody or some group of somebodies working at high levels inside Disney intentionally orchestrated the collapse of the company.

I don't know why you'd kill the Golden Goose when you can just wait patiently for all the Golden Eggs it was going to deliver to you in perpetuity, but I'm sure if some mid-level con-men can copy the playbook laid out for them in The Producers and turn a $24 Million loss on the books into a big payday come tax time, destroying one of the biggest companies that ever existed on Earth must be worth a fortune to the right people.

If Disney is doomed, why not make Serenity a big damn trilogy? A couple more Firefly movies will speed Disney toward its ultimate destiny:

Serenity
Production Budget: $39,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.0 times production budget)
Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office $25,514,517
International Box Office $14,804,923
Worldwide Box Office $40,319,440
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Serenity#tab=summary

The cost to de-age all the actors to how they looked in 2005, and digital double for the deceased Ron Glass as Book, could push the Disney budget per picture to over $200,000,000. It would be Disney money well spent but I don't know how Disney will rehabilitate Joss Whedon:

See The Undoing of Joss Whedon – Jan. 17, 2022 http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64811

The Buffy creator, once an icon of Hollywood feminism, is now an outcast accused of misogyny. How did he get here?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:50 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Who knows? Maybe this was all an inside job and somebody or some group of somebodies working at high levels inside Disney intentionally orchestrated the collapse of the company.

I don't know why you'd kill the Golden Goose when you can just wait patiently for all the Golden Eggs it was going to deliver to you in perpetuity, but I'm sure if some mid-level con-men can copy the playbook laid out for them in The Producers and turn a $24 Million loss on the books into a big payday come tax time, destroying one of the biggest companies that ever existed on Earth must be worth a fortune to the right people.

If Disney is doomed, why not make Serenity a big damn trilogy? A couple more Firefly movies will speed Disney toward its ultimate destiny:

Serenity
Production Budget: $39,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.0 times production budget)
Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office $25,514,517
International Box Office $14,804,923
Worldwide Box Office $40,319,440
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Serenity#tab=summary



Sure. Why not?

Serenity was a big piece of shit. Not only because it was itself a story that was never completed, but even if it were it was simply a mad rush to wrap up a lot of loose ends that ended up having 12 beautiful years worth of seasons fleshed out in the parallel universes that are much better than this shitty little dump we exist in is.

But even though 2 more sequels would have lost Disney a ton of money, it wouldn't have been as much as they lost on The Marvels in one shot. And since they'd be doing it with the intention of concluding the series anyhow, they wouldn't be doing any damage to a brand that they never cared for in the first place and had zero intentions of ever really exploring, although they'll fight fans tooth and nail over copyright if they try to make their own Firefly stories or merch.

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The cost to de-age all the actors to how they looked in 2005, and digital double for the deceased Ron Glass as Book, could push the Disney budget per picture to over $200,000,000. It would be Disney money well spent


If done right, yeah. If injected with 2020's Disney politics, hard pass.

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but I don't know how Disney will rehabilitate Joss Whedon:

See The Undoing of Joss Whedon – Jan. 17, 2022 http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64811

The Buffy creator, once an icon of Hollywood feminism, is now an outcast accused of misogyny. How did he get here?



Who isn't accused of misogyny these days.

Accusations are accusations. They're as common as the oxygen molecules we breathe.

And they were made all the more common once people understood the power that they had on social media with very little concern that false allegations on your part would ever land you into any trouble unless your name was Amber Heard and you Girl Bossed too close to the sun.

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Sunday, January 7, 2024 4:28 PM

Why the hell did Hollywood make The Marsh King's Daughter? It couldn’t have been for money. It must have been because somebody making the decision wants their father dead.

Why does Hollywood ever make movies where the daughter kills her evil father?
https://www.imdb.com/search/keyword/?keywords=daughter-murders-father

Daisy Ridley, the star from Disney’s Star Wars Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker [2019], is now starring as the daughter in The Marsh King's Daughter [2023]. If the trailer is any guide, she will kill her evil father. (She does according to https://themoviespoiler.com/movies/the-marsh-kings-daughter/ )

While working for Disney, Daisy killed her evil grandfather, the Emperor Palatine, in Star Wars. Or was she the daughter of the Emperor’s clone? Whatever, but I think Hollywood has no new ideas.

Maybe reversing the ending on both movies would be an unexpected and crowd pleasing plot twist? Daisy dies and her father lives? I’m not so sure that would make more money, but it would be different than business as usual for Hollywood.

One more money-loser for Hollywood:
The Marsh King’s Daughter (2023) Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office $1,792,905
International Box Office $831,789
Worldwide Box Office $2,624,694

The Pirates provide a free copy of The Marsh King's Daughter for your entertainment:
https://psa.wf/movie/the-marsh-kings-daughter-2023/
https://yts.mx/movies/the-marsh-kings-daughter-2023
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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