Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers
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Quote:6ix, compare some numbers between the US and the World:
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Why do you make such big deal out of Hollywood’s trouble but not BBBY’s?
Because this is the Cinema board, dipshit. Not the wine mom thread.
BBBY and the fat loser piece of shit diversity hire Amy Hauk that also brought Victoria's Secret down got their knocks from me in the RWED boards.
I don't know how you would wokify Bed Bath and Beyond, but that useless piece of shit probably figured out a way to do it.
US Domestic Yearly Box Office 2023 $8,895,788,905
World annual revenue (in U.S. dollars) $76,700,000,000
World number of employees 388,770
World number of businesses 57,100
https://www.statista.com/statistics/326011/movie-production-distributi
on-industry/
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/?ref_=bo_nb_di_secondarytab
If all Hollywood studios went bankrupt, there are still plenty more studios around the world to grind out entertainment for US. It will have subtitles, but that’s what you get when you hate everything unapproved by Trump made in Hollywood.
Key data on the movie production & distribution industry worldwide 2022
Published by Statista Research Department, Jan 5, 2023
The source forecast that, by the end of 2022, the annual revenue of the global film production and distribution industry would amount to 76.7 billion U.S. dollars. As of mid-2022, the sector employed almost 389 thousand people in a little more than 57 thousand businesses worldwide. China, the North American market (a term that includes the United States and Canada and excludes Mexico), and Japan were the world's leading box office markets by revenue in 2021.
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I'm refusing to take this conversation any further with you because your opinion on this, as on anything, is of no benefit to anybody else.
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Quote:Essentially because of Trump's politics, you despise present-day Hollywood, but Hollywood has made thousands of movies before recent movies became politically unacceptable, exceptions for Joker and Top Gun Maverick. Why not just watch an old movie and let modern-day Hollywood go bankrupt? And if you want to make some money from Hollywood's slow death, short-sell the stocks connected to Hollywood:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm refusing to take this conversation any further with you because your opinion on this, as on anything, is of no benefit to anybody else.
Wall Street "short sellers" are often cast as villains. They make money when most others are losing it — that is, when stock prices fall.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/15/966877259/wall-street-short-sellers-hat
ed-for-centuries
To end on a more positive note, Hollywood is selling fewer tickets because the same movie will be streaming a month after it opens in the theater. Which would you prefer? See a movie for free on your 4k TV? Or travel long distances, pay inflated prices for tickets and snacks, and impatiently watch twenty minutes of advertisement in a theater before the show starts? Such a difficult decision to make about the Magic of the Movies.
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Essentially because of Trump's politics, you despise present-day Hollywood, but Hollywood has made thousands of movies before recent movies became politically unacceptable, exceptions for Joker and Top Gun Maverick.
Once again, this has nothing at all to do with Trump.
I watch a handful of movies and/or TV shows per year, and it's been that way since I sobered up. I'm the first one to tell everybody that Hollywood did this to themselves because even before they started injecting leftist politics into everything there had been over a decade of lazy remakes and reboots and countless sequels nobody asked for because they lost their nerve to try anything new. This has all been a long time coming. Leftist agenda just made it happen faster than the worldwide shutdown of movie theaters during Covid did.
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Why not just watch an old movie and let modern-day Hollywood go bankrupt?
I've already watched most of what I wanted to watch pre-woke. And not every movie that comes out today is awful. I rarely watch anything, but when I do it's usually something new and with somebody else who wanted to watch it.
That being said, I'm rarely disappointed when I watch something these days. I don't know if that has more to do with the fact that watching a new movie or show is such a rare occurrence for me, or that the products I chose to consume are fairly highly curated compared to the days when I watched stuff all the time.
I watched Lady Ballers with my old man a few weeks ago. I'm sure Trump loved that movie (or at the very least he approved of the message and told the Ben Shapiro cult to go watch it). I didn't care for it. I'd say of all of the movies that I've watched since I sobered up 8 years ago, it was the worst movie that I consumed in that time. It was guilty of all of the things I accuse Leftist writers/producers/actors of doing, but just coming from the Right. It was lazy. It was formulaic. The "jokes" rarely landed. It appealed strongly to one faction while being too afraid to take the piss out of themselves too for jokes. It was basically everything I expected it to be while going into it with the low expectations that it deserved.
The other big surprise of 2023 was that I watched The Flash with the old man and really enjoyed it. I'll bet that Trump didn't love The Flash, if he even saw the movie. None of the rage-bait YouTubers will admit that it was a good movie upon watching it, just as they never mentioned Songbirds & Snakes in a single video after it was apparent it was going to be a box office success, choosing instead to just pretend that the movie didn't exist.
I won't write my praise for The Flash again here, but I created a thread for it after watching it.
The Flash: An Honest Review
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65730
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And if you want to make some money from Hollywood's slow death, short-sell the stocks connected to Hollywood:
I don't gamble.
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To end on a more positive note, Hollywood is selling fewer tickets because the same movie will be streaming a month after it opens in the theater. Which would you prefer? See a movie for free on your 4k TV? Or travel long distances, pay inflated prices for tickets and snacks, and impatiently watch twenty minutes of advertisement in a theater before the show starts? Such a difficult decision to make about the Magic of the Movies.
It's when you write things like this that I don't even understand what your point is, because I'm pretty sure that you don't understand what your point is.
If you're making the claim once again that Leftist Agenda isn't what is killing Hollywood, I'll point out the OP in this thread to you once again where it shows a list of all the top studios and how much a company like Disney who couldn't put out anything that wasn't stuffed full of it lost, compared to a company like Univers
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Essentially because of Trump's politics, you despise present-day Hollywood, but Hollywood has made thousands of movies before recent movies became politically unacceptable, exceptions for Joker and Top Gun Maverick. Why not just watch an old movie and let modern-day Hollywood go bankrupt? And if you want to make some money from Hollywood's slow death, short-sell the stocks connected to Hollywood:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm refusing to take this conversation any further with you because your opinion on this, as on anything, is of no benefit to anybody else.
Wall Street "short sellers" are often cast as villains. They make money when most others are losing it — that is, when stock prices fall.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/15/966877259/wall-street-short-sellers-hat
ed-for-centuries
To end on a more positive note, Hollywood is selling fewer tickets because the same movie will be streaming a month after it opens in the theater. Which would you prefer? See a movie for free on your 4k TV? Or travel long distances, pay inflated prices for tickets and snacks, and impatiently watch twenty minutes of advertisement in a theater before the show starts? Such a difficult decision to make about the Magic of the Movies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
I use to enjoy going out to the movies, it was an excuse to get out of the house. I didn't mind paying too much for popcorn, fruit punch and Snowcaps, but in recent years there have been no flicks that excite me. I'm turning into one of those old guys that yell at kids to get off the lawn, but maybe this year I'll get off my dead ass and see something. There looks like there'll be a few worth the over priced crap, Fall Guy, Deadpool and Joker may get me out of Lay-Z-Boy.
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It is not about "wokeness". If Hollywood went out of business, we'd be better off. Buy your entertainment from Canada or anywhere other than Hollywood. I hear Jewel Staite (both Firefly's Kaylee Fry and Canadian) would love to make another movie for you.
Screamboat Willie? Mickey Mouse horror films lurk as cartoon enters public domain
By Christi Carras | Jan. 2, 2024
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-01-02/m
ickey-mouse-public-domain-steamboat-willie-horror-movies
From Mark Lezama, a patent attorney, about recent announcements that Steamboat Willie (aka Mickey Mouse) will be starring in several horror films now that Disney's copyright has expired:
The main thing is to be sure you’re not using Mickey in promotional materials in a way that would make someone think the film came from Disney. I don’t think that should be too hard, especially if Mickey is portrayed as a bloodthirsty sadist.
Lezama points out that the Mickey Mouse featured in “Steamboat Willie” bears some key differences to modern depictions of the character. For example, the “Steamboat Willie” Mickey is shown entirely in black and white and is missing the mouse’s signature white gloves. So, to be extra safe, a filmmaker might avoid a gloved, colorized depiction of Mickey.
Director and producer Steven LaMorte confirmed Tuesday in a news release that he is helming a horror-comedy adaptation of “Steamboat Willie,” about a “mischievous” and “monstrous” mouse with a “taste for tourists” who terrorizes the passengers and crew members of a boat off the coast of New York City.
LaMorte previously directed and produced “The Mean One,” a 2022 horror-comedy film based on Dr. Seuss’ the Grinch.
“‘Steamboat Willie’ has brought joy to generations, but beneath that cheerful exterior lies a potential for pure, unhinged terror,” LaMorte said in a statement. “It’s a project I’ve been dreaming of, and I can’t wait to unleash our twisted take on this beloved character to the world.”
Earlier this week, a trailer for “Mickey’s Mouse Trap” — an indie slasher flick about a masked killer disguised as Mickey Mouse who hunts down innocent amusement park guests and employees — surfaced on YouTube. Directed by Jamie Bailey, “Mickey’s Mouse Trap” is tentatively set to open in March.
Much more at https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2024-01-02/m
ickey-mouse-public-domain-steamboat-willie-horror-movies
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Quote:It is NOT politics that makes these movie failures crappy. I've got no qualms about the politics that you think are poisoning the movie experience. It's crappiness poisoning the movies (and also the fact that anybody, even the unsophisticated, can get any new movie from streaming or from pirates for free.)
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's when you write things like this that I don't even understand what your point is, because I'm pretty sure that you don't understand what your point is.
If you're making the claim once again that Leftist Agenda isn't what is killing Hollywood, I'll point out the OP in this thread to you once again where it shows a list of all the top studios and how much a company like Disney who couldn't put out anything that wasn't stuffed full of it lost, compared to a company like Universal who is going to end up the year in the black almost as much as Disney ended the year in the Red.
The numbers themselves don't lie, and they easily destroy any narrative that it wasn't Leftist politics that turned audiences away.
I can see why it took a decade to understand that alcohol was killing you. And how long did it take to realize you were dying from diabetes? That disease needed your retarded brother's keen insight ("You look like death") to point it out to you. In other words, you are not very conscious about life, 6ixStringJack. You live almost completely inside your emotionally traumatized mind. Get out more and go to the movies with friends. Preferably old movies made before 1999, Trump, MAGA, and "wokeness". There are many thousands to see.
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Originally posted by second:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's when you write things like this that I don't even understand what your point is, because I'm pretty sure that you don't understand what your point is.
If you're making the claim once again that Leftist Agenda isn't what is killing Hollywood, I'll point out the OP in this thread to you once again where it shows a list of all the top studios and how much a company like Disney who couldn't put out anything that wasn't stuffed full of it lost, compared to a company like Universal who is going to end up the year in the black almost as much as Disney ended the year in the Red.
The numbers themselves don't lie, and they easily destroy any narrative that it wasn't Leftist politics that turned audiences away.
It is NOT politics that makes these movie failures crappy.
Yes. It IS.
That isn't the only thing making movies suck, but it's by far the largest contributor to it in 2023.
ONCE AGAIN I WILL POINT YOU TO THE ORIGINAL POST OF THIS THREAD FOR THE YEAR THAT DISNEY LOST OVER $1.5 BILLION IN THE SAME YEAR WHERE UNIVERSAL MADE ABOUT $1.5 BILLION.
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I've got no qualms about the politics that you think are poisoning the movie experience.
You also don't pay for anything you consume or pay the taxes to the IRS for all the stuff that you've stolen and consumed, so nobody gives one single shit about your opinion on the matter.
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It's crappiness poisoning the movies (and also the fact that anybody, even the unsophisticated, can get any new movie from streaming or from pirates for free.)
Oh wow. You are so sophisticated.
Pirating is not a skill. A 5 year old could do it.
5 year olds also have no impulse control either and would steal with reckless abandon, so you have much in common.
You are not special.
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I can see why it took a decade to understand that alcohol was killing you. And how long did it take to realize you were dying from diabetes? That disease needed your retarded brother's keen insight ("You look like death") to point it out to you. In other words, you are not very conscious about life, 6ixStringJack. You live almost completely inside your emotionally traumatized mind. Get out more and go to the movies with friends. Preferably old movies made before 1999, Trump, MAGA, and "wokeness". There are many thousands to see.
Stay classy, moron.
And if you're going to persist with pointless personal attacks because you can never win an argument against me, at least get the details right. As my number one stalker I have to say that I'm quite disappointed with how inaccurate your false accounting of my very not-private history has been as of late.
In the meantime, it's YOUR version of Hollywood that is dying. Movies aren't going anywhere. Just the ones that inject the Leftist Agenda that nobody is going to pay for anymore.
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The Color Purple...
Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.
And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.
But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.
Nope.
That was the 1985 movie's production budget.
2023's version cost $100 Million.
It needs to make $250 Million to break even.
SPOILER ALERT: With it's first sub-Million day on Tuesday in the states, it ain't getting there.
Why? Why? Why do you keep doing this?
Songbirds & Snakes was saved by the fact that Lionsgate decided to strip down the budget and only lay down $100 Million when adjusted for inflation it might have made sense to spend $200 Million for another installment compared to the previous budgets those movies had.
But The Color Purple was never going to have the mass-market appeal of a Hunger Games movie.
You had to know this. You had to.
Movies like The Color Purple, Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon shouldn't cost a single dime more than $50 Million, maximum. Hell... I'd argue that because of the demographically challenged nature of The Color Purple, it shouldn't have cost more than $30 Million to make. If you did that, you would have made a lot of money.
Whatever...
I'm looking forward to getting the 2023 lists together. We already know that Disney shit the bed and Universal was rolling in cash during 2023, but I'm really interested in finding out just how luke warm Warner Bros. 2023 turned out with flop after flop after flop under its belt despite having the highest grossing flick of the year.
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I've updated the spreadsheets on my end, but I don't know when I'll get around to taking the hours I'll need to update them here. In total, I believe that it spans 72 movies (It's either 72 or 73 including "Champions", which may be removed since I still can't find a production budget for it). Most of these are still in the top 100 worldwide for 2023, but a good number of them were pushed to the top 200 as the year went on.
The reason why the list isn't over 100 is because, obviously, China makes a LOT of movies these days that brake into the top 100 worldwide, and there are some other additions by India and a few other countries as well.
I don't have the exact figures in front of me while typing this, but we're looking at around $1.559 Billion profit for Universal and $1.48 Billion loss for Disney. If you include 20th Century Studios as Disney since Disney owns it, that's another roughly $150 Million lost for the company.
(The reason why these numbers don't add up to the $1.8 Billion+ Disney losses in the Disney Failure Thread is because none of the Fox Searchlight movies made enough money to even be on the Top 100 worldwide list, and several other movies that were in the Disney thread outside of Searchlight didn't make enough money either.)
It looks as though Warner Bros. has made a profit of somewhere around $460 Million in 2023. It still has Wonka, Aquaman II and The Color Purple in theaters, so I have no doubt that it will profit at least half a billion by the time they're out of theaters.
Not a bad year for WB, considering how bad some other studios like Disney, Lionsgate and Paramount performed, but it has to be extremely disappointing finish for them after Barbie.
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