Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers
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UPDATED: Friday, August 2, 2024 09:17
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What’s the year-end bottom line for Hollywood after dual strikes?
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Originally posted by second:Quote:What Hollywood needs is more executives who will say to directors: "Killers of Flower Moon is the perfect example of a movie that should NOT be made."
Originally posted by whozit:
In this years case it's a LIST of flops, not just one. The reason the industry is in the bind they are today is because of bad management, they can't blame COVID for the list of flops this year, they put out poorly written woke crap the fan base didn't want to see. They're making woke crap for an audience that has no interest in Sci-Fi or Super Hero flicks or TV shows. PLUS, they insult the fan base when they refuse to see OR, go to see their crap and give it bad reviews on twitter or their YOUTUBE channel. This is why I'm sure they'll be major changes in 2024, possibly a blood bath.
It cost $200 M and sold only $156 M in tickets. Sure thing that director Martin Scorsese and cast are all famous, but so what? Scorsese has a remarkable ability to spend too much money. He has forgotten how to economize. Hollywood makes movies for money. Screw Art with a Capital A. No Hollywood exec should have approved spending $200 M for such a minor work of art, no matter how good the script is or how many weeks it was a best seller on the New York Times Non-fiction book list (147 weeks and counting).
https://web.archive.org/web/20231215170153/https://www.nytimes.com/boo
ks/best-sellers/paperback-nonfiction/
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Killers-of-the-Flower-Moon-(2023)#ta
b=summary
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/killers-of-the-flower-moon/
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/killers_of_the_flower_moon
Yup.
But it can now be argued that no Directors get green lights for ANY movie that's $200 Million or more, not just these artsy-fartsy movies like Killers and Napoleon.
There was only one movie released in 2023 that cost $200 Million or more that broke even (and made a profit), and that was Guardians of the Galaxy 3 with its $250 Million budget. The only reason that this was the only superhero movie from either the MCU or DCEU to make money in 2023 is because those characters already had been established (and loved) long before Phase 4's agenda BS that killed the Marvel franchise through Phase 5.
$150 Million should probably be the CAP for blockbuster budgets going forward, with $100 Million being the goal for movies which aren't sure-things but that they're fairly confident will do well.
There were only 2 movies in 2023 that cost more than $100 Million and broke even (and made a profit). Barbie was $145 Million. Meg 2: The Trench somehow was the other one, making just shy of $400 Million worldwide.
Elemental almost broke even with the long legs, but it did come shy of profit and it cost $200 Million. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania lost just shy of $40 Million with its $200 Million budget. The Little Mermaid lost over $50 Million on its $250 Million budget. Transformers lost just shy of $50 Million on its $195 Million budget. Fast X lost over $135 Million on its insane $340 Million budget. MI7 Part 1 lost just shy of $160 Million on its equally insane $290 Million budget. Dungeons and Dragons lost just shy of $170 Million on its $150 Million budget. Indiana Jones 5 lost a staggering $368 Million on its crazy $300 Million budget. Blue Beetle lost $170 Million on its $120 Million budget. Shazam II lost $180 Million on its $125 Million budget. Haunted Mansion lost just shy of $280 Million on its $159 Million budget.
And then you've got movies that cost $100 Million or less that still cost way too much to make. Expendables 4 lost just shy of $200 Million on a $100 Million budget. And Renfield lost just shy of $190 Million on its $87 Million budget.
Personally, I'd shy away from CGI-Fests like Superhero flicks for a while. Firstly because the audience has grown bored with them after 20 years of it, but secondly because its very obvious that they're cutting corners on
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Quote:Rebel Moon has a $166 million budget, according to Vanity Fair. How much did it earn? Zero dollars, according to The Numbers. Maybe Netflix gets a return on its investment when part 2 of Rebel Moon comes out on April 19, 2023. Or maybe when the R-rated version comes out. Or maybe it is a corporate black hole – money goes in and no money is returned.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And all of them are at a severe disadvantage to movies like Five Nights at Freddy's that only needed to make $50 Million, or M3GAN that only needed to make $30 Million to break even.
How did it manage to cost at least $166 million? Copious quantities of realism:
Quote:Zack Snyder has been mulling this story for more than three decades, so why would Netflix not splurge on real sets? You might think $166 million is excessive but Snyder is making ART and no expense must be spared to create the Artist's Vision or some other bullshit Hollywood explanation:
While any sci-fi extravaganza naturally features copious digital effects, Snyder also used his estimated budget of at least $166 million to manifest as much of it in real life as possible. In a Santa Clarita canyon just outside Los Angeles, a full-size abandoned starfighter decays not far from what appears to be an idyllic Scandinavian-style village, complete with clusters of homes, shops, and barns, as well as a stone bridge arching over a crystalline river. (Team Snyder also built the river.) Vast fields of actual wheat sprout from desert hardpan never meant for such lush growth, but Snyder insisted on real crops for his farmers to harvest and defend. Just over the rocky hillside sits another Rebel Moon set for a larger community known as Providence that looks like an Old West metropolis. All of these are just locations on the moon of the title; there are other worlds beyond.
Quote:https://web.archive.org/web/20230902224952/https://www.vanityfair.com/
“I’m a glutton for punishment. I don’t know why I always make an ensemble movie. I can’t wait to not do that. But in the meantime, of course…I love it,” Snyder says. He feels that constructing his worlds in real life makes the otherworldly feel more immersive. “This movie was me going, ‘Of course it’s a space opera, but let’s not lens it that way. Let’s lens it in a more intimate way, so that the sci-fi elements feel more grounded.’ We’re not always saying, ‘Look at how big our spaceships are or how weird our planets look!’ That happens, but it happens as an organic part of the world you’re in. You’re there, and so the things you see on that journey are not forced upon you or spoon-fed to you.”
Snyder shares these thoughts while sitting in a tavern built on the port city set, sweating profusely as he directs a gunfight sequence. A network of overhead pipes creates a thunderstorm that transforms the desert dust into pools of sticky mud while the heroes and villains blast at each other. When we spoke last summer, Rebel Moon was about halfway through principal photography, with more than three months to go. Snyder couldn’t have looked giddier. After an excruciating, combative experience building the DC superhero universe for Warner Bros. — and then seeing it scrapped — Snyder has finally found a studio that has given him epic trust to match its epic funding.
hollywood/2023/06/zack-snyder-exclusive-first-look-rebel-moon
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Rebel-Moon#tab=summary
https://netflix.fandom.com/wiki/Rebel_Moon_%E2%80%94_Part_One:_A_Child
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yup. Lot of hoo rah out there about how Netflix "won" the streaming wars this week.
Personally, I don't see it.
Being the one unprofitable company in an unprofitable market that was less unprofitable than everyone else was doesn't look like a win to me.
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Quote:Rebel Moon has got the same storytelling problem or Hollywood technique as, for example, Avatar:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Yup. Lot of hoo rah out there about how Netflix "won" the streaming wars this week.
Personally, I don't see it.
Being the one unprofitable company in an unprofitable market that was less unprofitable than everyone else was doesn't look like a win to me.
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Avatar 1 killed the main villain, but he is reincarnated for Avatar 2, and he was saved, once again, for Avatar 3. Rebel Moon handled the dead-villain-returns-in-the-sequel problem differently and much better.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Yeah...
Batman's gotten away with it more than a few times. For some reason as long as the writing is good they manage to always get away with rebooting that franchise.
I know that they're only going to get away with that with a few properties, and only if it's done well. We don't know if Marvel is or is not one of them yet because the writing has been terrible along with the obvious degradation of the special effects as the years have gone on top of the leftist messaging that's been injected into every facet of the entire Universe at this point.
You can't say for sure exactly what part of Marvel is failing right now because they brought almost nothing good to the table in 2023 at all and every step they make is the wrong one now.
I'd suggest giving everybody at least a 1 year break from superhero movies from both universes and beyond.
It will be the pallet cleanser that the fans and audience need right now, and it should give the studios some time to really think about how they want to move forward. Even if it means just entirely scrapping all the plans they currently had in place and starting over completely.
For example, I'd seriously suggest NOT bringing back Downey Jr.'s Iron Man, or any of the original Avengers they'd already killed off. That's just putting a band-aid on the problem. Scrap the entire Marvel Universe, do some research on why the organic growth of all the characters worked when DCEU's hodge-podge attempt at universe building completely flopped with audiences outside of a few surprise hits like Aquaman 1 and Joker, genuinely figure out who killed the Marvel Universe internally and remove them from the equation, and hire back whoever was removed who was there when the MCU was successful.
Then don't even think about making that first New MCU movie without having a GREAT story for it and a good latticework of future films that you will add thoughtfully to the New Universe.
Anything they do going forward should be a clean break from the past. It needs to be thoughtful and it needs to be well written. Every addition (spaced out at a decent pace that doesn't over-saturate the market again) also needs a budget of $150 Million or less. The less the better.
No race or gender swaps either. You can have plenty of diversity going forward in a thoughtful and well written Universe, but it has to be organic and stay the hell away from pandering just to pander.
I'm even okay with the minority female Wolverine being a thing one day because it is something that happens and it can be done in a way that doesn't shit all over the real Logan. They'd have to rebuild the character from scratch and get somebody who does it at least as good as Hugh Jackman because otherwise they'd be needlessly retconning the already well-received way they already wrapped that character's arc if they wanted to do the female minority Wolverine justice in that universe. Switches like this can be well received as long as the character's death was noble and meant something, their story wasn't nonsensically retconned just to make the race/gender swap occur, the writing is good and the new character isn't just a mindless Girl Boss who is automatically better than the original character without taking any beatdowns, having any training or learning any lessons to become better than they were before, just because Girl/Minority Power. The race swaps also can't be every single character, especially at once, which seemed to be the plan at Marvel before nearly every move they made in 2023 was a failure, especially at Disney. (So yes... the current Ironheart "replacement" for Tony Stark's Iron Man needs to be thrown right in the trash where it belongs because it did EVERYTHING wrong and 90% of the people who actually gave money to Disney/Marvel hates her, which is clearly evidenced by how hard The Marvels with its cut-and-paste Girl Boss characters bombed to finish off 2023 has proven).
There are good m
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Quote:Hollywood makes many excellent movies that sell few tickets. See what gets nominated for Best Picture for the names of those movies. But instead of buying a billion dollars worth of tickets to each of those excellent movies, audiences bitch and moan about the poor quality of the other stuff Hollywood makes, buying only hundreds of millions of dollars in tickets for each.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
"Diversity" isn't the problem. Its the lazy and insulting way that the people they hired on in the last decade that is the problem. It makes the self-hating, white, pink haired lefties on Twitter happy, but it pisses off everyone else, even the minorities they're supposedly doing all of it for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture#2000s
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Which had larger yearly sales revenue? Hollywood or Bed Bath & Beyond? Hollywood has an awesome advantage to be profitable because nothing physical is delivered to the purchasers other than the paper movie ticket.
I won’t immediately tell you which is which, but one of these sales numbers is for Hollywood, and the other for BBBY:
2023 $8,895,788,905
2021 $9,230,000,000
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/?ref_=bo_nb_di_secondarytab
https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/bbbyq/revenue/
Now I tell you. The answer is Bed Bath & Beyond sold more stuff than Hollywood. One of them is out of business as of Oct 2, 2023 (lost its stock market listing) and the other is slowly heading in the same direction. It wasn’t earthshaking when BBBY went bankrupt and only Hollywood or a ninny would think its own death is a bigger deal than BBBY’s death.
6ixStringJack, I don’t think Hollywood’s decline is more important than BBBY’s.
Why do you make such big deal out of Hollywood’s trouble but not BBBY’s?
After over a century in business, it is painfully obvious that the crappy stuff (known as the Magic of the Movies) Hollywood routinely sells is less useful, less enduring, and even less significant than BBBY stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_Bath_%26_Beyond#Decline
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Why do you make such big deal out of Hollywood’s trouble but not BBBY’s?
Because this is the Cinema board, dipshit. Not the wine mom thread.
BBBY and the fat loser piece of shit diversity hire Amy Hauk that also brought Victoria's Secret down got their knocks from me in the RWED boards.
I don't know how you would wokify Bed Bath and Beyond, but that useless piece of shit probably figured out a way to do it.
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