Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Notice the change in narrative?
A year ago it was all "Ukraine is WINNING!" and "Russian troops are unmotivated brutal orcs only good to feed into meat grinders" and "Russia's economy is in tatters." and "Russia is running out of missiles/ planes/ artillery/ (fill in the blank)".
Now, it's ...
What if Russia wins?
https://www.ft.com/content/a788b749-c94c-4d9e-99e4-47300b0c6ea8
The High Price of Losing Ukraine: Part 2 — The Military Threat and Beyond
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukrain
e-part-2-%E2%80%94-military-threat-and-beyond
What could happen if Russia wins the war in Ukraine?
https://news.sky.com/story/what-could-happen-if-russia-wins-war-in-ukr
aine-experts-consider-the-scenarios-13031013
What If Russia Wins?
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-02-18/what-if-rus
sia-wins
‘We’ll Be at Each Others’ Throats’: Fiona Hill on What Happens If Putin Wins
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/12/fiona-hill-ukraine-p
utin-00131285
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Wow. Neocons and their prostitute media slowly coming to grips with reality?
The best analysis of what this means comes from ISW, the Kagan-Nuland branch of neoconism, as quoted by Simplicius:
Quote:
"To deter and defend against a renewed Russian threat following a full Russian victory in Ukraine the United States will have to deploy to Eastern Europe a sizable portion of its ground forces. The United States will have to station in Europe a large number of stealth aircraft. Building and maintaining those aircraft is intrinsically expensive, but challenges in manufacturing them rapidly will likely force the United States to make a terrible choice between keeping enough in Asia to defend Taiwan and its other Asian allies and deterring or defeating a Russian attack on a NATO ally. The entire undertaking will cost a fortune, and the cost will last as long as the Russian threat continues—potentially indefinitely."
In other words, all of the required defensive measures would bankrupt us.
More importantly
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"The future of NATO is bound up with the future of Ukraine much more tightly than most people understand...
Altering America’s will is no small thing. America is an idea. America is a choice. America is a belief in the value of action. US domestic resilience and global power come in no small part from people and countries choosing the United States and from Americans preserving their agency to act with intent. An adversary learning how to alter these realities is an existential threat — especially when ideas are that adversary’s core weapon."
Simplicius continues...
Quote:
" ' America the Myth floated along during all of this. It was a shared catechism of the American religion, but is becoming harder to swallow. We are becoming American Atheists and when the people stop believing in their own myths they perish.'
Now let’s see Kagan and cohort’s exegesis one more time, side by side:
'Altering America’s will is no small thing. America is an idea. America is a choice. America is a belief in the value of action. US domestic resilience and global power come in no small part from people and countries choosing the United States and from Americans preserving their agency to act with intent. An adversary learning how to alter these realities is an existential threat — especially when ideas are that adversary’s core weapon.'
Ah….so there it is. You see, American power is enshrined in nothing more than a Myth of supremacy and entitlement, one itself cloaked in various euphemistic coys and vapory misdirections like “the rules based order.” "
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/breaking-down-thinktank-lands-late
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Losing in Ukraine might lead large parts of the world to suddenly realize that America is not invincible. They might decide they had backed the wrong horse. Many nations might switch sides, or at least become equidistant. A tipping point may be re
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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The timing of Putin’s reported interest in a ceasefire is more consistent with Russia’s ongoing efforts to delay and discourage further Western military assistance to Ukraine, than with a serious interest in ending the war other than with a full Russian victory. ISW observed similar Kremlin efforts to mislead Western policymakers into pressuring Ukraine to negotiate with Russia in winter 2022-2023, and effectively redirecting Western focus onto hypothetical negotiations rather than ensuring that Ukraine has sufficient materiel before its spring-summer counteroffensive.[7]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-december-23-2023
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Institute for the Study of War (ISW). Kimberly Kagan is founder and President of that think tank. Kimberly is married to Frederick Kagan.
Frederick Kagan is Director of the "Critical Threats" project at the American Enterprise Institute think tank.
Frederick Kagan is Robert Kagan's brother.
Robert Kagan is cofounder (with Bill Kristol) of the Project for New America Century, which called for global domination.
Robert is married to Victoria "fuck the EU" Nuland, who, from her perch in the State Department, runs various neocon regime change ops, including Ukraine and attempts at regime change in Russia.
It's a nest of Jewish Zionist neocons, really, who have a very narrow agenda which does NOT include America's overall benefit.
The Kagans Are Back; Wars to Follow
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/55801
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But that's OK, sweetie. Keep the pedal to the metal. You're heading for a cliff, so I'm not gonna stand in your way.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Notice the change in narrative?
A year ago it was all "Ukraine is WINNING!" and "Russian troops are unmotivated brutal orcs only good to feed into meat grinders" and "Russia's economy is in tatters." and "Russia is running out of missiles/ planes/ artillery/ (fill in the blank)".
Now, it's ...
What if Russia wins?
The High Price of Losing Ukraine: Part 2 — The Military Threat and Beyond
What could happen if Russia wins the war in Ukraine?
What If Russia Wins?
‘We’ll Be at Each Others’ Throats’: Fiona Hill on What Happens If Putin Wins
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Wow. Neocons and their prostitute media slowly coming to grips with reality?
Nah.
The War Machine hasn't been properly fed for a while.
Just commericals for Raytheon and the like is all.
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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
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Quote:Ummmm...
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Notice the change in narrative?
A year ago it was all "Ukraine is WINNING!" and "Russian troops are unmotivated brutal orcs only good to feed into meat grinders" and "Russia's economy is in tatters." and "Russia is running out of missiles/ planes/ artillery/ (fill in the blank)".
Now, it's ...
What if Russia wins?
The High Price of Losing Ukraine: Part 2 — The Military Threat and Beyond
What could happen if Russia wins the war in Ukraine?
What If Russia Wins?
‘We’ll Be at Each Others’ Throats’: Fiona Hill on What Happens If Putin Wins
****
Wow. Neocons and their prostitute media slowly coming to grips with reality?
Nah.
The War Machine hasn't been properly fed for a while.
Just commericals for Raytheon and the like is all.
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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
I think they're more desperate than that, SIX. They banked a lot on Project Ukraine. Them, and the WH, State Dept, neocons, EU, NATO, IMF, BlackRock, Monsanto, Pfizer et al. A lot of political capital and currency was committed to succeeding. Not only have they not regime-change Russia (there go all of those lovely acquisitions!) they haven't managed to fold Ukraine into NATO, or even defend it from "Russian aggression". So much for those IMF loans and aid packages!
And if Russia takes most of Ukraine, financialists and transnationals won't even get the consolation prize of picking the Ukraine carcasse.
If Russia wins it'll be a huge black eye for NATO and the EU bureaucracy. A huge black eye for German, UK, French, etc leadership. A huge black eye for our Pentagon, resident neocons, and American influence in the Mideast and Asia! So much for Taiwan! ANOTHER black eye for our media!
The ONLY sector that made money on this in the MIC. Everything else will suffer.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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No reason to do it overnight.
Can't bleed the plebs dry if they won the "war" in a week.
We're still going to be hearing about Ukraine 10 years from now.
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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
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Quote:You seem to think that the west is going to determine when the war ends.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
No reason to do it overnight.
Can't bleed the plebs dry if they won the "war" in a week.
We're still going to be hearing about Ukraine 10 years from now.
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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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European Union (EU) Foreign Affairs High Representative Josep Borrell stated that Russian President Vladimir Putin is not interested in a limited territorial victory in Ukraine and will continue the war “until the final victory.”[1] Borrell reported on December 24 that Putin would not be satisfied with capturing a “piece” of Ukraine and allowing the rest of Ukraine to join the EU.[2] Borrell added that Putin will not “give up the war” and called on the West to prepare for a “conflict of high intensity for a long time.”[3] Borrell’s statements are consistent with ISW’s assessment that Russia is not interested in a ceasefire or good-faith negotiations with Ukraine but retains its maximalist goals of a full Russian victory in Ukraine.[4]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-december-24-2023
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Russia’s Best Su-34 Fighter-Bombers Are Falling From The Sky In Startling Numbers
Four claimed shoot-downs in three days.
By David Axe | Dec 24, 2023,04:19pm EST
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/12/24/russias-best-su-34-fi
ghter-bombers-are-falling-from-the-sky-in-startling-numbers/
Two days after shooting down, in a deadly missile-ambush south of Kherson, three of the Russian air force’s best fighter-bombers, the Ukrainian claimed it shot down a fourth fighter-bomber. This one over occupied Mariupol.
That’s four Sukhoi Su-34s in three days, a weekly rate of loss that’s one of the worst so far for the Russian air force, 22 months into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine.
And it just might get even worse for the Russians. The Ukrainian air force is about to get a significant upgrade, in the form of ex-Dutch Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters.
The Ukrainian air force swatted those three Su-34s around noon on Friday just south of the Dnipro River in southern Kherson Oblast. The Sukhois reportedly were flying at high altitude, lining up to lob satellite-guided glide-bombs at the Ukrainian bridgehead in Krynky, on the otherwise Russian-held left bank of the Dnipro.
It’s unclear how the Ukrainians shot down those three twin-engine, two-seat Sukhois on Friday, reportedly killing most of the aviators aboard. But it’s worth noting that Germany recently had delivered a Patriot air-defense missile battery, Ukraine’s third.
A Patriot PAC-2 missile ranges as far as a hundred miles under the best circumstances, making it Ukraine’s farthest-traveling air-defense missile. A Patriot battery situated well behind the front line in Kherson easily can hit a Russian glide-bomber at its farthest release point, 25 miles or so from a target along the Dnipro.
The three confirmed recent Su-34 shoot-downs — four if you count Sunday’s claimed shoot-down — bring to 25 or 26 the number of the fighter-bombers the Russians have lost over Ukraine, out of a total pre-war fleet of probably fewer than 150 aircraft.
The Su-34 is the Russian air force’s best fighter-bomber, and the only type in the Russian inventory that has the combination of sensors, avionics and smart weaponry that allows it to detect and attack pop-up targets on short notice.
The Russian air force “is almost certainly anxious to minimize further losses of these expensive and complex aircraft,” Justin Bronk, Nick Reynolds and Jack Watling noted in a November 2022 study for the Royal United Services Institute in London. https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air-War-Ukraine-web-final.pdf
At the time RUSI published the study, the Russians had lost just 17 Su-34s. Now that they’ve lost as many as 26 of the $50-million jets — nearly a fifth of the fleet — the Russians’ anxiety undoubtedly is much worse.
It’s not for no reason that, after the Ukrainians swatted three Sukhois on Friday, the Russian air force reportedly halted — at least temporarily — glide-bombing raids on Ukraine’s Dnipro bridgehead.
Novosibirsk-based plane-maker Chkalov Aviation Plant annually produces just a handful of new Su-34s. Moscow cannot sustain the current rate of loss, to say nothing of sustaining a potentially higher rate of loss once Ukraine’s new F-16s join the fight in the coming weeks.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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