The 2023 Disney Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Thursday, January 25, 2024 20:58
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Disney couldn't quite get below $1.9 BILLION in losses this weekend.
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,901,147,070
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$865,147,070
Disney has appeared to already come out and say they're not even going to bother updating international numbers for The Marvels until it's over, so we may not know what the real number for this movie will be in quite some time if that's true. I hear Disney only expects it to make $210 Million worldwide at the end, so they believe it's got another $23 Million left in the tank.
Despite what the rage-baiters say, Wish is not putting up Strange World numbers. It's already got $81 Million, and Strange World only did $69.5 Million. Although, if you look at the Production Budgets for both, Strange World made 52% of its PB, and Wish has only made 41% so far. Wish is a colossal flop to cap off Disney's 100th Anniversary year, but I have little doubt it will end up recouping more of its PB than Strange World did by the end of its run.
Unless Poor Things and All of Us Strangers by Fox Searchlight had $46 Million budgets like Chevalier did and flop as hard as it did, there's very little chance Disney ends the year $2 BILLION in the hole for 2023. If they're lucky and the budgets for those two movies were small, it may not even lose $1.9 BILLION. But it will certainly be over $1.8 BILLION + in losses at the Box Office for Disney in 2023.
I just looked into Magazine Dreams, the FOX Searchlight flick starring Johnathan Majors that Disney took off the release schedule for 2023. I won't be adding it to Disney's woes for 2023... at least not yet. There's talk that it could still be released at some point. The budget for it was only $7 Million anyhow, so unlike Peter Pan and Wendy's $170 Million loss, this would have been a drop in the bucket.
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International trends also say the Age of Superhero seems over, the Supermans, Black Widow, Shazams, Captain Marvels is done
You will have some which still make money like Spider-Man No Way Home but over all they are all flopping
Superheros might flop but Barbie made money for WB, now they will search for other kids toys? or maybe video games??
FNaF still making money overseas
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/31710-five-nights-at-freddys-
1469m-os-2831m-ww/page/2/#comments
Oppenheimer still makes money but might never get a Japan release
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/31297-oppenheimer-6238m-overs
eas-9486m-worldwide/page/23/#comments
The Marvels
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/31080-the-marvels/page/10/#co
mments
197 Million Worldwide
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Wish took 8th place after 15 days in release.
The Marvels took 12th place after 27 days in release.
The Abyss, after 12,538 days in release took 5th place in the box office on Wednesday.
https://www.the-numbers.com/daily-box-office-chart
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By this time next week, Wish and The Marvels will gross less than $1 Million combined on weekend days.
Wish's Friday: $1,160,000
The Marvel's Friday: $335,000
Wish's Worldwide Total after 17 days: $84,872,846 (42.43% of its budget)
The Marvel's Worldwide Total after 29 days: $197,983,939 (71.99% of its budget)
How much Wish has lost for Disney as of today: $415,127,154
How much The Marvels has lost for Disney as of today: $489,516,061
How far Wish is behind Five Nights at Freddy's: $208,083,770
How far The Marvels is behind Five Nights at Freddy's: $94,972,677
Five Nights at Freddy's budget was 10% of Wish's and was 7.27% of The Marvels.
How far Wish is behind Sound of Freedom: $164,252,867
How far The Marvels is behind Sound of Freedom: $51,141,774
Sound of Freedom's budget was 7.25% of Wish's and was 5.27% of The Marvels.
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Snow White released 86 years ago today.
Grimm published in 1812.
I didn't find the Snow White thread.
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I don't think there is one.
That movie got pushed back to 2024 or even 2025 at this point. I didn't make a Snow White thread yet.
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Wish made $275,744 on Christmas Day.
The Marvels made $8,239 on Christmas Day.
Even though it's been in the theaters almost as long as The Marvels, Songbirds and Snakes made a million. And even though it sucks and will be DC's fourth and final flop of 2023, Aquaman 2 made $10 Million.
The Marvels is done, and has only made $200,023,649 worldwide on a $275 Million budget, losing Disney somewhere in the area of $450 Million to $475 Million when the final numbers are tallied up.
Wish isn't far behind in its journey, only making $144,543,376 on a $200 Million budget and losing Disney somewhere in the area of $325 to $350 Million itself.
Combined, and with a combined budget of $475 Million, Disney's last two movies of 2023 only now finally grossed $50 Million more than Five Nights at Freddy's grossed worldwide. $50,372,722, to be exact.
But FNAF was available to stream legally on day one and only cost $20 Million to make, or only 4.21% of the combined budgets of Wish and The Marvels.
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The numbers from 12/04
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 12/04/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760
The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805
NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.
The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.
NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]
Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-boNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
01/03/2024:
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,874,854,927
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$821,354,927
This number will get slightly better for Disney in the coming month or two with Poor Things, Wish and The Marvels still in theaters. But I wouldn't expect too much.
Poor Things took 10th place on New Years Day $694,225. Wish took 13th place with $412,705. The Marvels took 24th place with $8,149.
At the end of the year, Disney lost at least $1.85 BILLION at the Box Office in 2023.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 23rd, 2022):
The big question about Lightyear is who is sticking it in who's butt for kids to see.
The second biggest question is has Disney tarnished their brand so badly that they will have their first Toy Story flop.
The third biggest question is will Disney learn from their mistakes when it doesn't meet expectations.
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Originally posted by second (April 23rd, 2022):
Expectations, 6ix? This is NOT Toy Story 5. Disney will be fine. The trailer for Lightyear hints that the scriptwriter saw Planet of the Apes. Buzz Lightyear travels at hyperspeed, left only 4 minutes ago, but returns 62 years, 7 months into the future. Things have changed for the worst, but it is not intelligent apes causing problems. Unlike Charlton Heston, who could not save the planet because he got beat up by gorillas, Chris Evans as Buzz Lightyear is gonna kick James Brolin's giant robot butt.
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 23rd, 2022):
There are always expectations.
Disney hasn't met them with most of their recent flicks, especially the Marvel trash they've been putting out.
Let's see how badly they want to stop losing money. If they put any Leftist agenda shit in there you can bet that they're going to have their first Toy Story branded loser on their hands.
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Originally posted by second (April 24th, 2022):
6ix, you don't have money, which is why Disney doesn't produce entertainment to please you. You are worthless to Disney unless you have money to buy a ticket. That is how free market capitalism has always worked.
Disney’s decision to oppose Florida’s “don’t say gay” law is all about appealing to Disney’s consumers. Republicans who most yearn to make America “great” again — aging, rural, white men — are at the bottom of the consumer totem pole and lack the financial clout to swing the free market. Conservatives just can’t handle the fact that their political ideology is toxic to people who buy tickets for Disney World and Disney movies.
Fox News agitator Laura Ingraham had previously warned that if companies like Disney didn’t “stay in their lane” — focusing on maximizing profit, but shutting up about politics — “everything will be on the table” if Republicans return to power in November, including “your copyright and trademark protection, your special status within certain states, and even your corporate structure itself.” GOP Senator Marsha Blackburn denounced Disney’s criticism as “how the woke left extremists are using corporations to push their agenda.”
Here’s the irony, though: While Disney controls municipal functions in Reedy Creek, its special tax district, it also foots the bill — for the fire department, sewer treatment, and so on. The elimination of that special status thus will save Disney $163 million annually, passing on $1 billion in debt to taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties and forcing massive local tax hikes. So what in the name of Adam Smith’s invisible hand is going on here?
https://newrepublic.com/article/166186/florida-republicans-revoke-disn
ey-special-tax-status-lost-faith-free-market
Fast Forward to 2024 and now it's not just idiot Laura Ingraham saying it. Leftist cesspool Axios is in agreement.
Axios: Culture wars represent one of the biggest business risks in 2024
https://www.axios.com/2024/01/11/culture-war-business-risk-in-2024
Also...
DisneyDining.com: DeSantis’ Disney Takeover Hits the Parks
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Back in April 2023, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis officially dissolved the Reedy Creek Improvement District. The special district had been around since 1967 and allowed Disney to function as its own form of government. DeSantis and the Republican-led Florida legislature voted to dissolve Reedy Creek after DeSantis and Disney began locking horns in March 2022.
There is no longer a special Ready Creek tax district for Disney.
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