The 2023 Disney Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Thursday, January 25, 2024 20:58
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are there even any franchise brands that Disney hasn't destroyed yet?
They didn't destroy Songs of the South. They just threw it in a hole and censored it.
Maybe they can make Songs of the South 2 in 2025.
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Bruce should know better...
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/255660830-Weekend-projections-Songbir
ds-and-Snakes-stays-top-on-Thanksgiving-weekend
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After looking completely dominant when it posted a $3.74 billion year at the domestic box office in 2019, Disney has been the number 2 studio every year since. This weekend was their last chance to catch up with Universal, which will win the race in 2023. Finishing second is hardly a disaster in many ways, but it’s clear Disney has some significant rethinking to do across its business. Its success with Disney+ has clearly come at a cost to its theatrical business.
Catch up to Universal?
Disney spent far more than any other studio without even counting 20th Century Studios or FOX Searchlight. FAR MORE.
Disney is not in 2nd place. Disney is in dead last.
And even if we weren't counting the losses at all, Disney is something like $750 Million to $900 Million behind Universal in Worldwide Gross.
Are you trying to say that somehow Wish and The Marvels had a chance of grossing $750 to $900 Million this weekend in a parallel universe, Bruce?
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11/15 Numbers:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 11/15/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760
The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805
NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.
The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.
NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.
I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/15)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/15)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
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Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*Lost $801,382 since last update. (11/15)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
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As of November 27th, 2023, Disney has lost $1.944 BILLION at the box office through it's Disney/Pixar/Marvel/20th Century Studios/FOX Searchlight Brands.
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,944,578,985
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$908,578,985
Even if we were still going with only 2 times the budget to break even, which not even the Lefty Disney shill sites are anymore, they've lost nearly a Billion at the box office in 2023.
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Rumor has it that there's a hostile takeover at Disney and Bob Iger is stepping down.
And it wasn't presented by Doomcock and his "spies", so there might actually be some legitimacy to it this time.
Could be interesting.
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Elon Musk: "Let's See How Earth Responds" To Advertisers Trying To Blackmail Twitter
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/11/30/elon_musk_lets_see_
how_earth_responds_to_advertisers_trying_to_blackmail_twitter.html
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ANDREW ROSS SORKIN, NY TIMES: Obviously you know that there's a public perception that -- and you are clarifying this now -- but there's a public perception that that was part of an apology tour, if you will. That this had been said online there was all of the criticism, there was advertisers leaving, we talked to Bob Iger today.
ELON MUSK: I hope they stop. Don't advertise.
SORKIN: You don't want them to advertise?
MUSK: No.
SORKIN: What do you mean?
MUSK: If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising - blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself.
SORKIN: But --
MUSK: Go. Fuck. Yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey, Bob, if you're in the audience.
SORKIN: Let me ask you then --
MUSK: That's how I feel. Don't advertise.
SORKIN: How do you think then about the economics of X, if part of the underlying model, at least today, maybe it needs to shift, maybe the answer is, it needs to shift away from advertising. if you believe that this is the one part of your business where you will be beholden to those who -- have this view --
MUSK: G. F. Y.
SORKIN: I understand that, but there's a reality, too. right? Linda Yaccarino [CEO of Twitter] is right here and she has to sell advertising.
MUSK: Absolutely, totally, look. Actually, what this advertising boycott is going to do is it's going to kill the company. And the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company and we will document it in great detail.
SORKIN: But those advertisers, I imagine, they're going to say, we didn't kill the company.
MUSK: Oh, yeah. Tell it to Earth.
SORKIN: But they're going to say -- they're going to say, Elon, that you killed the company, because you said these things and they were inappropriate things and they didn't feel comfortable on the platform, right? That's what they're doing to say.
MUSK: Let's see how Earth responds to that.
SORKIN: Something -- okay, this goes back to --
MUSK: We'll both make our cases and we'll see what the outcome is.
SORKIN: What are the economics of that for you? You have enormous resources. You can keep this company going for a long time. Would you keep it going for a long time, if there was no advertising?
MUSK: I mean, if the company fails because of an advertising boycott, it will fail because of an advertising boycott and that will be what bankrupts the company and that's what everybody on Earth will know.
SORKIN: What do you think, then of the -- it goes back to the idea of trust.
MUSK: It will be gone because of an advertising boycott.
SORKIN: But you recognize that some of these people are going to say they didn't feel comfortable on the platform, and I just wonder, I ask you, think about that --
MUSK: Tell it to the judge.
SORKIN: But the judge is going to be --
MUSK: The judge is the public.
SORKIN: And you think that the public is going to say that Disney is making a mistake?
MUSK: Yes.
SORKIN: And they're going to boycott Disney?
MUSK: They already are.
SORKIN: Well, there are some that are for lots of different reasons, but you think this is going to -- that you have the -- this goes to actually the interesting thing of power and leverage.
MUSK: Let the chips fall where they may. Let the chips fall where they may.
SORKIN: Can I ask why that is the approach? and I ask it, because you've been --
MUSK: What's the other approach?
SORKIN: You've been very particular about, I mean, the approach to Tesla, when you think about the engineering involved in that, the approach to SpaceX, the approach to some of the stuff you're doing with AI has been very specific, right? There's not, a "let the chips fall where they mayNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I think Disney's going to have a pretty hard time chipping away at that $2 Billion box office deficit in December...
Wish just made $591,475 on Day 8. The Marvels made $336,007 on Day 20.
Combined, that's their first Sub-Million day at $927,482.
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Wish makes $569,636 on Thursday, while The Marvels only made $299,531 for a combined Thursday total of only $869,167.
5th Place for Wish on Day 9. 9th Place for The Marvels on Day 21.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Rumor has it that there's a hostile takeover at Disney and Bob Iger is stepping down.
And it wasn't presented by Doomcock and his "spies", so there might actually be some legitimacy to it this time.
Could be interesting.
Nope. Not interesting. Not even true.
He's not stepping down. He's just announced that he will be leaving once his current contract is up in 2026.
See.... This is why you have to be REALLY careful what information you parrot.
At this point, I'm kind of done watching all of the rage-bait YouTube idiots that cover movies and entertainment. Even most of the low-key ones that I used to respect have devolved to clickbait video titles and thumbnails that are super misleading if not outright lies.
Here's another example of pure bullshit...
December 1, 2023 by Jake Ricci
Disney lost market cap after’s Elon’s F**k you to Disney’s Bob iger in interview
https://24stocknews.com/disney-lost-market-cap-afters-elons-fk-you-to-
disneys-bob-iger-in-interview/
Quote:
CAPTION BELOW THE BIG SCARY GRAPH SHOWING PLUMMETING NUMBERS:
The repercussions of Musk’s strong words were felt immediately, with reports emerging that Disney’s stock had suffered a hit, shedding market capitalization following Musk’s remarks. This added a financial dimension to the broader implications of his statements, demonstrating the weight and influence of his words on the stock market and investor sentiment.
That interview was on Wednesday.
At 9:30AM EST on Wednesday, Disney Stock was at $92.60.
At 10:30AM EST on Wednesday, Disney Stock was at $91.72.
At 12:00PM EST on Wednesday, Disney Stock was at $92.68.
At 9:30AM EST on Thursday, Disney Stock was at $93.67.
At 3:30PM EST on Thursday, Disney Stock was at $92.42.
At 5:00PM EST on Thursday, Disney Stock was at $93.39.
At 9:30AM EST on Friday, Disney Stock was at $92.74.
At 11:30AM EST on Friday, Disney Stock was at $91.86.
At 12:30PM EST on Friday, Disney Stock was at $92.61.
When the market closed on Friday at 4:00PM EST on Friday, Disney Stock was at $92.56.
The "Big Scary Graph" zoomed in on the hours between 5:00AM and 11:30AM on Friday.
Though it is unclear when the article was published, I doubt very much that it was put together, approved and released all before 12:30PM when the stock was back up to $92.61.
And for those not keeping score, the Friday stock price for Disney closed the trading session at FOUR CENTS BELOW where it opened on Wednesday morning before Elon Musk's interview took place.
BOTH SIDES NEED TO STOP THE CONSTANT FUCKING GASLIGHTING.
/end of rant
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The numbers from 11/27/2023
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.
[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 11/27/2023]
Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:
The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598
The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628
The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629
The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760
The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805
NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.
The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.
NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now. We all know that the international numbers fluctuate quite a bit and become extremely noticeable once a movie has neared the end of its run and several weeks afterward, so I won't go into detail below every movie when it happens.
I've made a note to verify all final numbers here a few months after Disney's last 2023 movies exit the theaters in 2024 to make sure they're still accurate since movies that have been out of theaters for weeks still seem to lose and gain some money after the fact.
Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:
Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/27)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]
Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (11/27)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]
The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*Lost $801,382 since last update. (11/27)
Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]
The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
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