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Elections; 2024

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THG
Thursday, November 30, 2023 2:19 AM

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The fundamental problem with the so-called "good" people is that they won't kill bad people unless there is a long and drawn-out process in courts that takes many years. Essentially, "good" people, even the most powerful, don't want to take responsibility for what happens but would wish with their entire soul and being to make it completely confusing and unclear who is responsible for handling bad people, such as Trump. On the other hand, bad people won't reciprocate since bad people have no compunctions against killing good people.

By the way, the Founding Fathers went to war with the King of England. They would kill bad people with only a moment's notice. Trump would have had to flee to England or be hanged by the Revolutionaries. That Jefferson Davis was not hanged for treason says the USA got legalistic, weak, and silly. The Confederates had no problem with murdering Lincoln. They cheered his death.


The problem with people like you, SECOND, is that you're a bad person advocating bad things.

So prove to us you're not a bad person who shouldn't be killed.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM




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82% of people don’t like Russia (and Putin’s politics)

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 2:48 AM

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 3:43 AM

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 8:14 AM

Ted. You need to get some douche and try to clean out that AIDS riddled brain of yours.

Maybe a power washer. Anything less than 3,000 PSI won't do.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:38 PM

One reason why U.S. politics is so contested is because a battle is taking place between two rival growth models. One growth model is represented by the economies of the two coasts – software, media, government, finance, real estate, and the like. The other model is found in the part of the country going from Alaska down the Dakotas through Appalachia, Texas, the panhandle, and so on. This has a growth model based around the transformation, excavation, and derivatives of carbon: farms, fertilizer, and fuel.

These two growth models are in fundamental conflict. The coasts would love green energy, but the more that the U.S. turns green, the worse it is for parts of the country that are heavily invested in carbon assets. As Jeff Colgan, Jessica Green, and Thomas Hale have argued, this gives rise to “existential politics.” Getting to cheap green electricity would effectively devalue or defund North Dakota and Shell. This existential fight is reshaping the Democratic and Republican coalitions.

Which is likely to win?

It’s on a knife edge. If the Democrats win next time around, they can keep on putting facts on the ground – building battery factories and associated technology plants in states like Georgia and turning them blue, or breaking off part of the Texas vote with benefits and infrastructure for wind power. But it’s enormously fragile. If Trump and the Republicans win, it may be the end of the green transition in the U.S. I don’t think people have woken up to that yet.

If Trump wins and the U.S. goes big on the carbon growth model, people there will get a massive short-term return on investment, because the world is carbon short right now, and it needs American liquid natural gas. But as the rest of the world decarbonizes, you know what it won’t need in a decade or so? Very much oil.

https://goodauthority.org/news/how-will-the-world-pay-for-the-green-tr
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 7:02 PM



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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Thursday, November 30, 2023 9:57 PM

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One reason why U.S. politics is so contested is because a battle is taking place between two rival growth models. One growth model is represented by the economies of the two coasts – software, media, government, finance, real estate, and the like...



Except that is not "economy", that is FINANCE. Ignorant people conflate them all the time. Finance is fiddling with money in FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate).

An ECONOMY is based on production of real things: food, timber, steel, cement, fiber, batteries, chips, machine parts, and the like.
Not having an ECONOMY is why the USA is losing the war in Ukraine. Not having an ECONOMY is why we're dependent on China and the value of our dollar, so we can buy things on credit and run a negative balance of trade "forever".

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The other model is found in the part of the country going from Alaska down the Dakotas through Appalachia, Texas, the panhandle, and so on. This has a growth model based around the transformation, excavation, and derivatives of carbon: farms, fertilizer, and fuel.

These two growth models are in fundamental conflict. The coasts would love green energy, but the more that the U.S. turns green, the worse it is for parts of the country that are heavily invested in carbon assets.

Except that's a stupid characterization.
Farming, ranching, and forestry has a positive impact, and can have a highly positive impact on GHG, if managed properly.

Industry does need fuel, but there are ways to make it more efficient. One way to make it more efficient is to stop producing wasteful products, like superyachts, private jets, dysfunctional military hardware, and shoddy irreparable consumer goods.

Building production plants that are efficient and that make useful things of durable value is a lot better for the environment AND for our nation than offshoring it to China, India or wherever and having THEM emit GHC.

Part of the reason why "the coasts" might be in love with "green" is bc they have no idea where the "things" in their lives come from.

Food comes from farms. Chocolate milk does NOT come from brown cows! Electrcity comes from power plants. Solar cells come from factories. Clothes are made of fabric, and fabric is made on looms from thread, which comes from mills. Bread comes from bakeries.

Having source tested at all kinds of industries, I'm a lot more aware than most about how stuff is made.

It should be part of every high school curriculum, beside reading, writing, math, homemaking skills, critical thinking, and personal finance, to learn about the world of production. There should be a course on "how things are made" and nothing drives that point home like visiting something big: a refinery, a coking plant, a power plant, a cement kiln, a steel mill, a farm, a water purification plant, even a landfill.

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As Jeff Colgan, Jessica Green, and Thomas Hale have argued, this gives rise to “existential politics.” Getting to cheap green electricity would effectively devalue or defund North Dakota and Shell. This existential fight is reshaping the Democratic and Republican coalitions.
Again, misrepresenting the "sides". "Shell" is not ALL of production. There is a lot of production that ISN'T "Shell", or Exxon, or BPArco.

And getting clean cheap electricity?
GREAT, if it happens. But right now that's an irrelevant point bc it hasn't happened yet, and is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. And in addition, there is lot of production that can't use electricity. You're not about to grow wheat or make cement with electricity.

This article is stupid beyond belief and plays to people's general ignorance and bias.
But the article is right about one thjng: this is existential for everyone, bc people can't exist without things, and things need to be produced.

So maybe the real goal is to get rid of p

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Friday, December 1, 2023 4:34 PM

Imagine If You Could Have Averted World War II

By Andrew Tobias | December 1, 2023
https://andrewtobias.com/imagine-if-you-could-have-averted-world-war-i
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And just by reading an article like this — A Trump Dictatorship Is Increasingly Inevitable (only in German) — and then joining with millions of others to make sure the would-be dictator was soundly defeated at the polls.

“There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States,” argues Robert Kagan in the Washington Post, “and it is getting shorter every day. So why is everyone behaving like normal?”

Read it and let me know what you think:

A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.

By Robert Kagan | Nov 30, 2023
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/30/trump-dictator-2024
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Robert Kagan, a Post Opinions contributing editor, is the author of “Rebellion: How Antiliberalism Is Tearing America Apart — Again,” which will be published by Knopf in May.

Let’s stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality: There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States, and it is getting shorter every day. In 13 weeks, Donald Trump will have locked up the Republican nomination. In the RealClearPolitics poll average (for the period from Nov. 9 to 20), Trump leads his nearest competitor by 47 points and leads the rest of the field combined by 27 points. The idea that he is unelectable in the general election is nonsense — he is tied or ahead of President Biden in all the latest polls — stripping other Republican challengers of their own stated reasons for existence. The fact that many Americans might prefer other candidates, much ballyhooed by such political sages as Karl Rove, will soon become irrelevant when millions of Republican voters turn out to choose the person whom no one allegedly wants.

For many months now, we have been living in a world of self-delusion, rich with imagined possibilities. Maybe it will be Ron DeSantis, or maybe Nikki Haley. Maybe the myriad indictments of Trump will doom him with Republican suburbanites. Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen. Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge. But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.

The magical-thinking phase is ending. Barring some miracle, Trump will soon be the presumptive Republican nominee for president. When that happens, there will be a swift and dramatic shift in the political power dynamic, in his favor. Until now, Republicans and conservatives have enjoyed relative freedom to express anti-Trump sentiments, to speak openly and positively about alternative candidates, to vent criticisms of Trump’s behavior past and present. Donors who find Trump distasteful have been free to spread their money around to help his competitors. Establishment Republicans have made no secret of their hope that Trump will be convicted and thus removed from the equation without their having to take a stand against him.

All this will end once Trump wins Super Tuesday. Votes are the currency of power in our system, and money follows, and by those measures, Trump is about to become far more powerful than he already is. The hour of casting about for alternatives is closing. The next phase is about people falling into line.

In fact, it has already begun. As his nomination becomes inevitable, donors are starting to jump from other candidates to Trump. The recent decision by the Koch political network to endorse GOP hopeful Nikki Haley is scarcely sufficient to change this trajectory. And why not? If Trump is going to be the nominee, it makes sense to sign up early while he is still grateful for defectors. Even anti-Trump donors must ask whether their cause is best served by shunning the man who stand

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Friday, December 1, 2023 8:23 PM



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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Friday, December 1, 2023 10:35 PM

“People complaining about my anti-Trump tweets need to understand: I love my country and I feel it’s my duty to oppose this demented sociopath with every fiber of my being.”
- MARK HAMILL

“Humiliating”: McCarthy visited Mar-a-Lago because "depressed" Trump wasn't "eating," Cheney says
Critics mocked the Republican for his “pathetic” visit to cheer up the former president
By Igor Derysh Senior News Editor | Published November 29, 2023 9:24AM (EST)

https://www.salon.com/2023/11/29/humiliating-mccarthy-visited-mar-a-la
go-because-depressed-wasnt-eating-cheney-says
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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