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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, November 5, 2023 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by second:
US officials have no indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to negotiate with Ukraine or doubts that Russia can continue its war until Western aid for Ukraine falters.[5] ISW has also not observed any indications that Russia is prepared to enter peace negotiations with Ukraine in good faith. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov expressed the Kremlin’s disagreement with the characterization of the war in Ukraine as a “stalemate” on November 2, stating that the war in Ukraine “has not reached a dead end” and that the Russian military continues to conduct offensive operations.[6] Russia’s offensive operations around Avdiivka indicate that the Kremlin continues to believe that it is possible to achieve its objectives with military force and is unlikely to enter peace negotiations with Ukraine, except to buy time to reconstitute for future offensive operations. Pressure on Ukraine to negotiate an end to the war will likely remain meaningless if not harmful as long as Putin believes that he can achieve his objectives on the battlefield.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-november-4-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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When the west is willing to negotiate in good faith, Russia will.

The problem is that since the west broke all of its contracts with Russia, blew up Nordstream, backed out of most previous treaties, diddled Russia on Minsk I and Minsk II - and openly bragged about it afterwards - and reneged on the agreement to end the conflict in Ukraine, which was initialed last March... is there ANY indication that the west is "agreement capable" now?

No, there isn't.

The west will do only what it's forced to do, and abide by its agreements only if forced to.

That leaves Russia the only option: demilitarize Ukraine and setv up a puppet government (or take over Ukraine completely) and demilitarize NATO.

DOOD, just like the two (potentially four) aircraft carrier groups in the Mideast couldn't POSSIBLY be there for Hamas.. I mean, that would be overkill X20-40 ... Russia is not building up it's military and nuclear deterrence just for Ukraine!

Once again, you're wallowing in complete misjudgement of Russia. Ya gotta stop reading and re-posting boneheads.

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Monday, November 6, 2023 5:54 PM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that the war in Ukraine is not a “stalemate” in a comment to the media about Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s essay on the positional nature of warfare in Ukraine.[1] Zelensky stated during a joint press conference with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on November 4 that the current situation on the frontlines is “not a stalemate” even if “time has passed” and “people are tired.” Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine prioritizes the safety of its servicemen and needs US F-16 fighter aircraft and air defenses to gain an advantage over Russian forces.

Zaluzhny’s long essay, “Modern Positional Warfare and How to Win It,” outlines Zaluzhnyi’s consideration of the changes Ukraine must make to overcome the current “positional” stage of the war more clearly than the shorter op-ed and the Economist article it accompanied.
https://infographics.economist.com/2023/ExternalContent/ZALUZHNYI_FULL
_VERSION.pdf


Zaluzhnyi wrote that the war “is gradually moving to a positional form” and noted that Ukraine needs to gain air superiority; breach mine barriers in depth; increase the effectiveness of counter-battery; create and train the necessary reserves; and build up electronic warfare (EW) capabilities to overcome positional warfare.[2] Positional warfare refers to military operations that do not result in rapid or dramatic changes to the frontline despite both sides‘ continuing efforts to improve their positions. Zaluzhnyi notably did not say that the war was stalemated in his essay or suggest that Ukraine could not succeed. His essay focused, rather, on explaining that the current positional character of the war was a result of technological-tactical parity on the battlefield and the widespread use of mine barriers by Russian and Ukrainian troops. Zaluzhnyi considered the opportunities presented to Ukraine by Russia’s challenges, including the significant losses suffered by Russian aviation; Ukrainian use of Western missile and artillery weapons; and Russia’s failure to take advantage of its human mobilization resources due to political, organizational, and motivational issues. Zaluzhnyi argued that to avoid World War I-style “trench war” and move to maneuver warfare, Ukraine must develop new approaches including technological and other changes, some of which depend on Western support and others require adaptations within the Ukrainian military, state, and society. Zaluzhnyi concluded that positional warfare benefits Russia as it prolongs the war and could allow Russia to achieve superiority in certain areas. Zaluzhnyi argued that Ukraine or Russia could return to rapid maneuver warfare under the right circumstances, which for Ukraine must include Western-provided military resources. Zaluzhnyi’s essay was all about how to restore maneuver to a positional war, not an argument that the war has reached a stalemate.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-november-4-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 6, 2023 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

When the west is willing to negotiate in good faith, Russia will.

The problem is that since the west broke all of its contracts with Russia, blew up Nordstream, backed out of most previous treaties, diddled Russia on Minsk I and Minsk II - and openly bragged about it afterwards - and reneged on the agreement to end the conflict in Ukraine, which was initialed last March... is there ANY indication that the west is "agreement capable" now?

No, there isn't.

The west will do only what it's forced to do, and abide by its agreements only if forced to.

That leaves Russia the only option: demilitarize Ukraine and setv up a puppet government (or take over Ukraine completely) and demilitarize NATO.

DOOD, just like the two (potentially four) aircraft carrier groups in the Mideast couldn't POSSIBLY be there for Hamas.. I mean, that would be overkill X20-40 ... Russia is not building up it's military and nuclear deterrence just for Ukraine!

Once again, you're wallowing in complete misjudgement of Russia. Ya gotta stop reading and re-posting boneheads.

Signym, how many Russians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 64,000,000? How many Ukrainians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 4,000,000?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 6, 2023 11:47 PM


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Originally posted by SECOND:
Signym, how many Russians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 64,000,000? How many Ukrainians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 4,000,000?



Seriously dood, who the fuck CARES? That was then. This is now.

You keep harping on historical grievances, like you can change the past. It's like you keep trying to revive Wash.

Not gonna happen. The people responsible for whatever happened in the past are DEAD and you are beating a truly dead horse.

Russia was a monarchy, then a revolutionary government, then a tyranny, then a stultified bureaucracy, then a gangsta capitalist nation, and now... believe it or not... a multiparty democracy with a mixed economy. The people in charge today are not the same as before.

So stop grinding on and on, and stop trying to derail the topic with your off-kilter obsessions.

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Monday, November 6, 2023 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Signym, how many Russians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 64,000,000? How many Ukrainians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 4,000,000?

Seriously dood, who the fuck CARES? That was then. This is now.

You keep harping on historical grievances, like you can make somebody "pay". Not gonna happen. The people responsible for whatever happened in the past are DEAD and you are beating a truly dead horse.

The people in charge now are different. Russia was a monarchy, then a revolutionary government, then a tyranny, then a stultified bureaucracy, then a gangsta capitalist nation, and now... believe it or not... a multiparty democracy with a mixed economy.

So stop grinding on and on, and stop trying to derail the topic with your off-kilter obsessions.

Many empires have foundations built on mounds of corpses, as do the last three empires in the land now called "Russia".

The Inevitable Fall of Putin’s New Russian Empire

What history tells us about collapsed empires trying to restore their former possessions.

November 5, 2023, 7:00 AM

By Alexander J. Motyl, a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/11/05/russia-ukraine-empire-imperialism
-war
/

The Russian Federation is the product of the Soviet empire’s collapse, just as the Soviet Union was the product of imperial Russia’s collapse. Looking at the long history of empires, it’s not at all surprising that today’s Russia has embarked on a project of re-imperialization — the attempt to recreate as much of its former empire as it can. Equally unsurprisingly, Russia’s effort will fail.

The vast majority of seemingly stable empires decay over time until all that is left is the imperial center. The Byzantine and Ottoman empires are perfect examples of this dynamic: Each lost more and more territory until all that remained of the former was greater Constantinople and of the latter the lands that became Turkey. Neither rump state attempted to re-imperialize. The same was true of the European overseas colonial empires: The British withdrew from most of their possessions more or less voluntarily and without firing too many shots, whereas the Dutch, French, Portuguese, and Spanish tried harder to hang on but lost to national liberation movements. All subsequently refrained from re-imperialization.

Russia falls into a different, more volatile category of imperial decline. At the height of their power, some empires fall apart suddenly and comprehensively, usually as the result of cataclysms that rip apart the formal ties between core and periphery. Imperial Russia, Wilhelmine Germany, and the Soviet Union all met this fate. Up to the moment of sudden collapse, the structural and institutional ties between the core and periphery were still vibrant. More importantly, the imperial ideology remained alive and well after the collapse, leading to attempts by the imperial center’s elites to recreate all or parts of their former empires.

Thus, the Bolsheviks — who never concealed their desire (and supposed right) to reconquer all of the Russian Empire’s territories, which even Vladimir Lenin rejected as Russian imperial chauvinism — recreated the empire in the form of the Soviet Union, brutally snuffing out more than a dozen newly independent states who’d seized the chaos as an opportunity to escape Russia’s colonial grip.
The Nazis, on the other hand, tried but failed to regain Germany’s lost lands and build an even bigger Reich.

Success or failure of re-imperialization generally depends on the balance of power among the core, periphery, and any intervening states. The Bolsheviks were militarily and economically stronger than most of their neighbors and could revive the Russian Empire. The Nazis took on too many opponents and failed. Here, post-Soviet Russia’s trajectory is highly similar to interwar Germany’s: The German collapse

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Tuesday, November 7, 2023 2:22 AM

Russia Builds New Railway Amid Fears of Ukraine Attack on 'High-Risk' Bridge

By Kaitlin Lewis | Nov 06, 2023 at 2:42 PM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-railway-ukraine-bridge-crimea-1841302

Construction is underway for a new railway to connect the Crimea Peninsula to mainland Russia amid Ukraine's consistent attacks on the Crimean Bridge, according to Russian reports.

Yevgeny Balitsky, Moscow's appointed head of the occupied Zaporizhzhia region in southeastern Ukraine, told reporters Monday that the new railway has begun near the city of Donetsk and will run from Yakymivka, a settlement in Zaporizhzhia, to Rostov, according to the Russian state-owned outlet RIA Novosti.

"By building a railway line...we will solve the problems of the military," Balitsky said.

In recent months, Ukraine has increased its attacks on the Kerch Strait Bridge that links Crimea — which was annexed by Russia in 2014 — to the rest of Russia. Crimea has served as a hub for Russia's military since launching its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Balitsky noted to reporters Monday that the new railway will help Russia export goods like grains, iron and coal to the rest of the country. He also said that the project would help Moscow's military by avoiding the Kerch Strait Bridge.

"Because it is not only far to drive across the Crimean Bridge, but today the bridge is also a high-risk object," Balitsky said, reported RIA Novosti.

Newsweek reached out to the Kremlin's press team via email for more information.

U.K.'s defense ministry previously assessed that the Kerch Strait Bridge has become a significant security burden for Moscow. Ukraine struck the 12-mile structure in October 2022 and again in July, causing significant damage to the road and railway.

"Although fully operational, use of the bridge remains restricted due to procedures enacted following the first Ukrainian attack in October 2022. Trucks and fuel supplies continue to be moved by ferry," British defense officials said in October.

On Wednesday, footage circulated online of smoke billowing from the Crimean Bridge after Russian authorities in the area warned of aerial attacks on the peninsula. According to local reports, an air raid alert sounded for roughly two hours and traffic on the bridge was brought to a halt.

Kyiv has vowed that its war with Russia will not end until the Crimea peninsula is returned to Ukrainian control.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 7, 2023 6:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SECOND:
Signym, how many Russians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 64,000,000? How many Ukrainians did Russia kill because of politics if the number is not 4,000,000?

SIGYN: Seriously dood, who the fuck CARES? That was then. This is now.
You keep harping on historical grievances, like you can make somebody "pay". Not gonna happen. The people responsible for whatever happened in the past are DEAD and you are beating a truly dead horse.
The people in charge now are different. Russia was a monarchy, then a revolutionary government, then a tyranny, then a stultified bureaucracy, then a gangsta capitalist nation, and now... believe it or not... a multiparty democracy with a mixed economy.

So stop grinding on and on, and stop trying to derail the topic with your off-kilter obsessions.

SECOND: Many empires have foundations built on mounds of corpses, as do the last three empires in the land now called "Russia".

The Inevitable Fall of Putin’s New Russian Empire

What history tells us about collapsed empires trying to restore their former possessions.



Russia is not trying to create an "empire", it's trying to secure its border.
So the whole article is a waste of words.

Now, if you want to talk about the dangers of a crumbling empire trying to remain world hegemon, just look at our foreign and military policies, which are equal parts flailing, stupidity and arrogance.

Exemplified by your posts.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2023 8:08 AM

And in real news...


20 Brigade officers and commanders were killed, and an additional 20-30 were injured when they gathered to celebrate their regiment's founding with a celebration not far from the front line.



Quote:

Ukrainian military officers investigated over awards ceremony at which 19 soldiers were killed

Ukraine on Monday launched a criminal investigation into military officers who organized a troop-honoring ceremony that was hit by a Russian missile strike, killing 19 soldiers in one of the deadliest single attacks reported by Ukrainian forces.

The State Bureau of Investigation said it aims to hold military officials accountable for the Rocket Forces and Artillery Day event held Friday near the front line in Zaporizhzhia, where Russian reconnaissance drones could see them

The carnage sparked a wave of criticism among Ukrainians who questioned on social media the planning of an event so close to the battlefield. President Volodymyr Zelensky lamented the deaths of the men of the 128th Separate Mountain-Assault Brigade of Zakarpattia as a “tragedy that could’ve been avoided.”



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukrainian-military-officers-inves
tigated-for-holding-awards-ceremony-at-which-19-soldiers-were-killed/ar-AA1jtEmj



There was speculation that the Russian military was tipped off the the gathering by a traitor. Another their is that Russia noticed a concentration of cell phones at the location. This article insinuated it was a drone.

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Tuesday, November 7, 2023 9:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Russia is not trying to create an "empire", it's trying to secure its border.
So the whole article is a waste of words.

Now, if you want to talk about the dangers of a crumbling empire trying to remain world hegemon, just look at our foreign and military policies, which are equal parts flailing, stupidity and arrogance.

Exemplified by your posts.

If what you say is true, Americans would be fleeing to Russia. But they are not. Instead, it is Russians fleeing Russia.

5 Million Russian Citizens Left Russia Under Putin
Young, well-educated Russians are seeking a better life abroad.
By Uliana Pavlova, Updated: Oct. 13, 2021
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/13/5-million-russian-citizens-l
eft-russia-under-putin-a75246



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, November 7, 2023 11:21 AM

Nah ...

Even as Rome crumbled, not many people fled Rome. As the British Empire dwindled, who fled Britain? Anyone flee France, or Spain, as THEIR empires broke?

As long as you an convince people that theirs is the best, people won't leave, no matter how horrible it is.

BTW, I see youre trying to derail the topic from the fact that Russia is beating NATO in Ukraine.


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