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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 6:26 AM

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Most fortunate people believe they got there by their own effort, when in reality MOST people who become very wealthy, like singers or actors who become "stars", are no better than most others in their profession or avocation. Not drinking or overeating or cheating on your taxes or what-have-you is NOT a guarantee of success!

Yes, people have to put in effort to get to a certain point (unless luck hits you with a lottery win) but effort BY ITSELF ALSO isn't generally a springboard to great wealth or success either.

So people have control over themselves (or they should) but NOBODY has complete control over their lives, and thinking that is stupid.

There is no guarantee of success (if your parents/genetics/dropped-on-your-head-as-a-baby murder your chances) but there is the certainty of failure if you lie down, give up, surrender, poison yourself, whatever description for the billions of roads to failure. 6ix does not seem to be even slightly aware of what he has done to himself. Others who don't sabotage themselves every moment of the day also are unaware of what they do to themselves because their enduring self-sabotage is less intense, but still enough to guarantee failure. There are nations that sabotage themselves. See North Korea and Russia. The only straightforward way to avoid what happens in those places is to leave them. Russia lost its best long ago. North Korea? The best moved to South Korea until North Korea stopped the flow.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You keep saying that, but I'm fine buddy.

Nearly 7 years sober from booze, more than 9 from weed. I've got more money than I'd use in a decade with zero debt.

I answer to no one and I want for nothing.

I don't for a single second aspire to be anything that you've tried and failed to achieve in your life. Your judgement is wasted on me.

You should worry about you.



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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 11:25 AM

The difference between Russia and your hypothetical image is that Russia has learned from its history. It - or the leadership, at least- have learned from the Soviet experience and the "capitalist" experience, and they're trying not to make the same mistakes.

Unlike, say, the USA, which keeps making the same mistakes over and over.



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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The difference between Russia and your hypothetical image is that Russia has learned from its history. It - or the leadership, at least- have learned from the Soviet experience and the "capitalist" experience, and they're trying not to make the same mistakes.

Unlike, say, the USA, which keeps making the same mistakes over and over.

Have seen this little trick of Russia's? Eradicating a language is a very old-fashioned way to conquer the natives:

Russian occupation officials continue efforts to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture in occupied Ukraine. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin stated on October 27 that “[he] will not allow the Ukrainian language to reappear as a state or privileged language” in occupied Donetsk Oblast and claimed that no schools in occupied Donetsk Oblast have chosen to teach Ukrainian language.

https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20231027/pushilin-1905627017.html?_x_tr_
sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp


https://ria.ru/20231027/pushilin-1905627017.html

Signym, if only Russia had stopped teaching German in East Germany back in 1946 because no schools had "chosen" to teach the German language, maybe Russia would still control Berlin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 3:16 PM

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The difference between Russia and your hypothetical image is that Russia has learned from its history.

Who are you kidding? Every citizen in the Baltic States and Finland knows you are joking:

The Dream of a European Security Order With Russia Is Dead

How the war ends will determine Europe’s future as much as Ukraine’s.

By Kristi Raik, the deputy director of the International Centre for Defence and Security in Tallinn, Estonia.

October 31, 2023, 8:19 AM
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/31/russia-ukraine-war-europe-securit
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As Russia’s war against Ukraine approaches its third winter, there is still no end in sight. The drip feed of Western military aid is enough for Ukraine to keep fighting but insufficient to liberate all its territory. At the same time, despite continued popular support for Kyiv’s cause in Western countries, there is plenty of talk about Western war fatigue, with increasing behind-the-scenes debate about a possible compromise to end or freeze the war.

A compromise would be premature for a number of familiar reasons. First, neither side is ready for serious negotiations. Regaining control over Ukraine may not be existential for Russia’s survival, as Russian President Vladimir Putin has claimed, but it could very well become a matter of life and death for Putin himself. For Ukraine, the fight is existential, and Western leaders have said again and again that it is for Ukraine to decide when to negotiate and on what conditions. That mantra is flawed, however, since we already know that Ukraine wants to keep fighting. By holding back on crucial weapons deliveries, Western countries are partly responsible for Ukraine not advancing as fast as it and its supporters would wish.

Second, violence in Russian-occupied territories will not stop as long as these territories remain under Moscow’s control. Freezing the conflict is therefore a non-starter for the Ukrainians who have seen the horrors perpetrated by Russians in Bucha, Irpin, and countless other towns and villages. This is well understood by Ukraine’s neighbors, which have their own experience of Russian and Soviet occupation. It means living under fear, unfreedom, and the constant threat of violence.

These arguments against seeking a settlement any time soon will be familiar to readers following the war. Less discussed — but much more fundamental for all of Europe — is what a settlement would mean for the future European security order. If the war were frozen, not only would Russia be rewarded for its attack. It would also hold on to its goal of fundamentally revising the European security order and reestablishing its sphere of influence.

It should be very clear that Moscow’s understanding of the principles and norms of European security is incompatible with Western views. As we can see in Ukraine, the Kremlin equates security with control, which has deep roots in Russian history and foreign policy. This is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

The tradition of Russia as a land-hungry empire goes back in a straight line to medieval Muscovy, which transformed into an expansionist state under the rule of Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century. Ivan, also known for his cruelty in torturing and massacring his own people, has been rehabilitated and celebrated under Putin’s rule, while Putin himself has adopted another torture-loving Russian empire builder, Peter the Great, as his role model.

Another key Russian foreign-policy tradition is the idea that the European security order should be based on agreements among the major powers over the heads of smaller ones. Since 2014, the Kremlin has repeatedly made references to the Congress of Vienna, which redrew the map of Europe in the early 1800s, and the Yalta Conference, the British-Soviet-U.S. meeting in February 1945 that divided Europe into two spheres of influence. From the Russian perspective, both agreements laid the foundation for decades-

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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 10:57 PM

Ukraine pleads with the U.S. to ramp up support against Russia

At the top of Kyiv’s latest wish list is new air-to-air capability to take down an increase in GPS-guided Russian glide bombs, which can be launched from aircraft far away from the battlefield. This new capability has resulted in heavy casualties for Ukrainian forces in recent weeks.

“You have to take down the bomber,” Tychkivskyy said. “You need fighter jets, you need air-to-air missiles.”

In addition to air defenses, Ukraine says it also needs the long-range, single-warhead version of the ATACMS, the group said. Ukraine has already successfully used the medium-range variant tipped with cluster bombs to hit dispersed, vulnerable targets, including 18 Russian helicopters sitting at two separate airfields this month.

But Ukraine has a limited number of those weapons. And the long-range, single-warhead ATACMS will help Kyiv’s forces to hit better-protected targets — such as aircraft or helicopters in hardened shelters — located deeper into Russian-held territory.

However, Pentagon officials have resisted sending the long-range version, which can hit targets up to roughly 200 miles away, in order to maintain enough munitions in its own stockpiles. The Defense Department no longer uses the version the U.S. sent to Ukraine, called the Anti-Personnel/Anti-Materiel variant, in its war plans.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/31/ukraine-campaign-training-wea
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 1, 2023 11:47 PM

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Ukraine pleads with the U.S. to ramp up support against Russia



Fuck Ukraine.

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Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:16 AM

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Originally posted by SECOND: Russian forces continue to use “Storm-Z” assault units predominantly made up of prisoner recruits in highly attritional infantry-led frontal assaults. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated


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Ukrainian family of 9, including two minors brutally slain by Russian soldiers
Volnovakha, Ukraine, Edited By: Moohita Kaur Garg, Updated: Oct 31, 2023, 01:21 PM IST
Trigger warning: Some readers may find the details of this report disturbing. Discretion is advised

In the Russian-occupied eastern Ukrainian town of Volnovakha, a family of nine, including minor children, have been found shot dead in their house. Russian soldiers have been blamed for the gruesome killings.

Ukrainian officials have alleged that the Kapkanets family was killed on 27 October for refusing to give their house to the soldiers.



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Russian occupation officials continue efforts to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture in occupied Ukraine. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin stated on October 27 that “[he] will not allow the Ukrainian language to reappear as a state or privileged language” in occupied Donetsk Oblast and claimed that no schools in occupied Donetsk Oblast have chosen to teach Ukrainian language.



Last time I checked, Spanish was NOT a state or sponsored language is SW USA, and yet, it is not 'eradicated' either. Typical SECOND lies...





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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Thursday, November 2, 2023 8:59 AM

What politicos say to each other in private:

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Italian PM discussed fatigue over Ukraine in prank call with Russian comedians
https://news.yahoo.com/italian-pm-discussed-fatigue-over-010226009.htm
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“There is a lot of tiredness on all sides,” Meloni reportedly stated. “The moment is approaching when everyone will understand that we need a way out...Ukraine’s counteroffensive is not going as expected … It has not changed the fate of the conflict, and everyone understands that [the conflict] could last many years if we don’t find a solution. The Ukrainians are doing what they have to do and we are trying to help them.”

“I have some ideas on how to manage this situation, but I’m waiting for the right moment to put them on the table,” Meloni revealed during the call.

The comedians, according to Italian media, are Vladimir Kuznetsov and Alexei Stolyarov, jointly known as Vovan and Lexus. One of the men reportedly posed as an "African politician."

Vovan and Lexus are famously pro-Russia and have even been accused of having links to Russian intelligence services. However, no evidence of this connection exists.



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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:30 PM

Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi assessed on November 1 that the war in Ukraine has taken on a positional nature and offered a series of recommendations for Ukraine to restore maneuver to the battlespace.[1] In an essay entitled "Modern Positional Warfare and How to Win It" and an interview with The Economist, Zaluzhnyi outlined the current operational environment in Ukraine and noted that, despite several previously successful Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in 2022, the war is now "gradually moving to a positional form."[2] Zaluzhnyi heavily stressed that the current positional nature of the war is largely a result of military parity between Ukrainian and Russian forces, noting that a deep and dramatic Ukrainian penetration of Russian lines will likely not be possible with the relative technological and tactical equilibrium currently between Ukrainian and Russian forces.[3] In his interview with The Economist, Zaluzhnyi acknowledged that technological and tactical parity between opposing forces in Ukraine has resulted in a "stalemate" similar to the case of the First World War.[4] In the more extensive essay on the subject, Zaluzhnyi notably refrained from classifying the situation as a full stalemate and instead framed it as a "positional" war resulting from aspects of this technological-tactical parity.[5] According to Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine's ability to overcome this technological-tactical parity will be contingent on Ukraine's ability to secure five main operational components that have become particularly significant since the summer of 2023 — gaining air superiority; breaching Russian mine barriers in depth; increasing the effectiveness of counterbattery combat; creating and training the necessary reserves; and building up electronic warfare (EW) capabilities.

Zaluzhnyi offered a series of specific tactical solutions to the five aforementioned operational components that have created the conditions for positional warfare, which in his view will allow Ukraine to overcome military parity with Russian forces. Regarding the issue of air superiority, Zaluzhnyi argued that Ukrainian forces need to significantly improve drone capabilities to gain air superiority along the frontline.[6] Zaluzhnyi argued that Ukrainian forces need to overload Russian air defenses, neutralize Russian strike drones, and degrade Russian visibility over the front by deploying cheap drones en masse, developing specific drones meant to target Russian strike drones, and employing EW complexes throughout the front.[7] Zaluzhnyi argued that to overcome the challenges of EW use on the frontline, Ukrainian forces need to introduce necessary command and control (C2) processes for EW complexes, increase EW production capabilities, and streamline engagements with volunteer organizations that provide smaller EW complexes to Ukrainian forces.[8] Zaluzhnyi also recommended that Ukrainian forces improve counter-EW measures and develop new drones with EWs in mind.[9] To gain counterbattery superiority, Zaluzhnyi recommended that Ukrainian forces use more reconnaissance and strike drones to improve Ukrainian counterbattery fire and argued that Ukrainian forces need to strengthen GPS support for Ukrainian counterbattery units and increase the number of counterbattery assets.[10] Zaluzhnyi stated that improved sensors, more widespread and varied mine clearing capabilities, and anti-drone equipment will allow Ukrainian forces to more successfully breach Russian mine barriers in depth while under concealment.[11]

Zaluzhnyi also highlighted wider administrative adaptations and domestic developments in addition to his specific tactical battlefield solutions. Zaluzhnyi specifically called on Ukraine to introduce a Unified State Register for draftees, reservists, and those liable for military service to prepare a necessary reserve for Ukrainian forces.[12] Zaluzhnyi more broadly called on Ukrainian officials to incentivize Ukrainian citizens to join the military reserve and expand the numb

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Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:37 PM

Zelensky: TIME may be on his side, but real time, isn't

Official Ukraine narrative collapses as Zelensky’s inner circle admits to magazine that the war cannot be won militarily.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/zelensky-war-time-magazine/

No. Real time is not on Zelensky's side.

He's a dead man walking.

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